opera is breaking my store... :(

[vcache]

Was checking my site with several browsers (IE, Netscape, Mozilla and Opera) and everything looked fine...untill I got to Opera

 

Everything in Opera looks like it's supposed to...except the right column..is REALLY right...as in I could fit my entire site in the space between the right column and the rest of the site....

 

 

any ideas?

[goginan]

Can't enlighten you, but can confirm it is not Opera as mine looks fine. :unsure:

[paulm2003]

URL?

[vcache]

paulm2003:

 

Here is a link to it -- My Tool Connection

 

looks fine in IE, mozilla and Netscape (other than that pesky table problem with the right column) but in opera it makes the middle WAY to wide and forces the right column waaaaaaaaaaaaay over...considering just removing the right column altogether and just having the left....

[berkedam]

paulm2003:

 

Here is a link to it -- My Tool Connection

 

looks fine in IE, mozilla and Netscape (other than that pesky table problem with the right column) but in opera it makes the middle WAY to wide and forces the right column waaaaaaaaaaaaay over...considering just removing the right column altogether and just having the left....

This source in yr page seems to smell fishy:

<div style="width: 500px;" align="center">

try changing it and look if that helps.

[paulm2003]

Too many errors for me to say what causes the problem,

 

you could take a look at:

http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A/...on.com/catalog/

 

ignore all errors like these

# Line 114, column 91:  entity was defined here

 

  ...ection.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=21&osCsid=9451357f96b10664689b52199966f

but most other errors have to be corrected

[goginan]

I'm using Opera 7.03 and it lokks fine to me! :)

[paulm2003]

Don't see the described problem in Opera7 too, guess he solved it.

Still some other work to be done though.

[vcache]

actually..I haven't done anything to it yet...I'm using opera 7.23 and it still looks the same to me...

 

but as far as other work to be done...I am very open to suggestions..hehe

[berkedam]

Opera

Version information

Version

7.11

Build

2887

 

problem still exists.

[paulm2003]

but as far as other work to be done...I am very open to suggestions..hehe

-The images at the top bar look bad (don't know a better English word now), higher resolution needed?

- the Bestsellers and Reviews boxes seem to reside inside your Login box, I gues it's not intended like this

- still lots of HTML errors still to be solved (validator.org), if you don't do that it will be very difficult to determine where layout problems come from, and future changes you make might give unexpected/unpredictable results

- the thin borders around the small boxes only show in IE, I can't see those in any other browser

 

is that enough for now? :)

[vcache]

- The images at the top are the same images used for the products pages, just made smaller with width and height attributes.

 

- I *think* the problem with the boxes (boxes being in other boxes) has been fixed.

 

- Borders problem has been resolved

 

- 'Washed out' look has been fixed

 

- Will work on HTML errors...but most of the errors I have seen seem to be in the core OSC coding...and will take a while to sort out and still have everything look right...

[vcache]

hmm....html validator is actually still trying to validate stuff I took out completely....

[paulm2003]

hmm....html validator is actually still trying to validate stuff I took out completely....

strange, I used it a lot but never experienced that

 

remember errors like those you can skip:

Line 144, column 92:  general entity "osCsid" not defined and no default entity  (explain...).

 ...ction.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=21&osCsid=dda40cf95a57b7cb747838837b0d"

 

I released a little contrib today that will prevent a.o. those errors to show

http://www.oscommerce.com/community/contributions,2027

 

The sites indeed looks much better now, I still think your picto's (in the hor. bar) are to small though.

[burt]

remember errors like those you can skip:

Line 144, column 92: ?general entity "osCsid" not defined and no default entity ?(explain...).

?...ction.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=21&osCsid=dda40cf95a57b7cb747838837b0d"

 

You cannot skip these errors, these are basic HTML errors that need to be fixed. :o

[♥Vger]

Too many errors for me to say what causes the problem,

 

you could take a look at:

http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A/...on.com/catalog/

 

ignore all errors like these

# Line 114, column 91:? entity was defined here

 

? ...ection.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=21&osCsid=9451357f96b10664689b52199966f

but most other errors have to be corrected

W3C Validator can't handle nested tables, and osCommerce uses nested tables. Wish it didn't but it does! Therefore W3C Validator will generate lots of 'false' errors. It sees </table>, and when it meets a series of </td> </tr> </table> counts them all as errors, because it's already seen one </table> tag. Trying to validate for W3C is a total and utter waste of time, and pretty pointless too! When Microsoft decides that their code will be W3C valid then it'll be worth doing (don't hold your breath waiting). Even the other (minor) browsers aren't using W3C valid code.

 

The problem with Opera - the main point of this thread. As I understand it this problem doesn't apply to the latest version of Opera. But you'll get problems with Firebird, because it doesn't support the <align> tag in nested tables either!

 

Vger

[vcache]

Well, the part about opera breaking the page has been fixed...now I'm having login box problems...wracking my brain trying to get rid of that extra space at the right...

 

I fixed most of the w3c errors (one I couldn't find....after about 3 hours or looking)

[vcache]

also...page looks just fine in firefox (not sure if there's another mozilla browser called firebird...but anyway..)

 

and as far as the CSID errors...I think that validator doesn't like SIDs and throws errors because SIDs don't coform to HTML standards...there's nothing wring with the HTML

[♥Vger]

Firebird=Firefox - typo, sorry. Don't use it that much! Vger

[vcache]

and as far as the pics on the horizontal bar...

 

I may make them a *little* bigger but they are really just there as a design element and are only meant to be representative of tools in general - mostly to get your mind on tools and get you to look further for the 'better pictures'

[burt]

W3C Validator can't handle nested tables, and osCommerce uses nested tables. Wish it didn't but it does! Therefore W3C Validator will generate lots of 'false' errors. It sees </table>, and when it meets a series of </td> </tr> </table> counts them all as errors, because it's already seen one </table> tag. Trying to validate for W3C is a total and utter waste of time, and pretty pointless too! When Microsoft decides that their code will be W3C valid then it'll be worth doing (don't hold your breath waiting). Even the other (minor) browsers aren't using W3C valid code.

 

The problem with Opera - the main point of this thread. As I understand it this problem doesn't apply to the latest version of Opera. But you'll get problems with Firebird, because it doesn't support the <align> tag in nested tables either!

 

Vger

Disagree. In fact I would go so far as to say "utter rubbish". :D

 

http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%...utomatically%29

 

If your HTML validates, your site has a chance of looking respectable in Opera (and others). If it doesn't validate, it won't...simple as that.

[vcache]

(originally had this added to my previous post..but for some reason the system decided I couldn't edit my own post...so...)

 

You, as a web designer, see the form, code and pixels...but web designers aren't my target market...my target market is contruction workers, handyment and do-it-yourself people - *most* of which dont' know a pixel from a hard drive...most of the stuff I have chosen has been chosen for a reason (obviously)...from the color (blue is a calming color...and the MSRP text is in red - an angry color)...to the horizontal image bar (the concious mind will usually skip over something like that...but the sub-concious picks up everything...and chances are once they have visited a few times the subconcious will pick up one of the small images as something they need and will remind the concious mind to look for and buy it...and on the way they may see something else they want/need...etc)

 

also...I originally had alot of woodgrain images...buttons were woodgrain, background for the logo was woodgrain etc) but then I realized that the last thing a construction worker wants to see when he/she is home on their computer is wood....so I started over from scratch...leaving out the whole wood theme...

[vcache]

ok..one last time...the problem with opera has been fixed

[burt]

Well, the part about opera breaking the page has been fixed...now I'm having login box problems...wracking my brain trying to get rid of that extra space at the right...

 

I fixed most of the w3c errors (one I couldn't find....after about 3 hours or looking)

You have a little code error near your login box:

 

</<table border="0"

 

Try hunting that out, remove it, and see how you go.

[vcache]

umm...that's actually what I have been trying to find for the last 3 1/2 hours...