HighHobbies.com Posted April 7, 2004 Posted April 7, 2004 What do you think... I love the stock osc layout so i didnt change it much, just added images and modded a little.... No products yet... Just talking about layout right now... Index will have links to product categories... Footer will be changed shortly... Dealer top header image links to nothing because its not set up yet... So overall layout any good? www.highhobbies.com/store
nrlatsha Posted April 7, 2004 Posted April 7, 2004 I think you turned some people off by not adding a hyperlink to your store http://highhobbies.com/store/ There ya go... I don't think its too bad myself, for a hobby store, its a good layout. 9 times out of 10 its a PEBCAK Error (Problem exists between chair and keyboard) Replace that and you're fine...
phethean Posted April 7, 2004 Posted April 7, 2004 dealers.php doesn't link. (you should also do a custom 404 error page)
241 Posted April 7, 2004 Posted April 7, 2004 maybe complete the new products box and remove the original grey background colours which show up when loading a page and possibly change the buttons to be more inline with the feel of the rest of the graphics. phethean It is frowned upon in the forum to have a link to a site in your signature ;) No longer giving free advice. Please place deposit in meter slot provided. Individual: [=] SME: [==] Corporation: [===] If deposit does not fit one of the slots provided then you are asking too much! Is your Osc dated try Phoenix raising oscommerce from the ashes.
berkedam Posted April 7, 2004 Posted April 7, 2004 What do you think... I love the stock osc layout so i didnt change it much, just added images and modded a little.... No products yet... Just talking about layout right now... Index will have links to product categories... Footer will be changed shortly... Dealer top header image links to nothing because its not set up yet... So overall layout any good? www.highhobbies.com/store download mozilla and look "If you're working on something new, then you are necessarily an amateur."
HighHobbies.com Posted April 7, 2004 Author Posted April 7, 2004 Who uses mozilla anyway? I dont want to download a new program, i have way too many browsers as it is. What is wrong?
Guest Posted April 7, 2004 Posted April 7, 2004 Web Page Speed Report URL: http://highhobbies.com/store Title: High Hobbies Date: Report run on Wed Apr 7 16:40:56 EDT 2004 Diagnosis Global Statistics Total HTTP Requests: 26 Total Size: 347287 bytes Object Size Totals Object type Size (bytes) HTML: 20193 Images: 298891 java script: 25606 CSS: 5963 Multimedia: 0 Other: 0 External Objects External Object QTY Total Images: 23 Total Scripts: 1 Total CSS imports: 1 Download Times* Connection Rate Download Time 14.4K 274.36 seconds 28.8K 139.78 seconds 33.6K 120.56 seconds 56K 74.41 seconds ISDN 128K 26.40 seconds T1 1.44Mbps 7.04 seconds *Note that these download times are based on the full connection rate for ISDN and T1 connections. Modem connections (56Kbps or less) are corrected by a packet loss factor of 0.7. All download times include delays due to round-trip latency with an average of 0.2 seconds per object. With 26 total objects for this page, that computes to a total lag time due to latency of 5.2 seconds. Note also that this download time calculation does not take into account delays due to XHTML parsing and rendering. Page Objects QTY SIZE# TYPE URL 1 112158 IMG http://highhobbies.com/store/images/top1.jpg 1 28890 IMG http://highhobbies.com/store/images/top2.jpg 1 27270 IMG http://highhobbies.com/store/images/top5.jpg 1 22410 IMG http://highhobbies.com/store/images/top3.jpg 1 22240 SCRIPT http://highhobbies.com/store/includes/menu_animation.js 1 21762 IMG http://highhobbies.com/store/images/top4.jpg 1 21333 IMG http://highhobbies.com/store/images/paypalbox.jpg 1 20193 HTML http://highhobbies.com/store/ 1 18829 IMG http://highhobbies.com/store/images/folder...estproducts.jpg 1 5963 CSS http://highhobbies.com/store/stylesheet.css 1 5459 IMG http://highhobbies.com/store/images/folderimages/reviews.jpg 1 5457 IMG http://highhobbies.com/store/images/folder...nufacturers.jpg 1 5325 IMG http://highhobbies.com/store/images/folder...es/whatsnew.jpg 1 5096 IMG http://highhobbies.com/store/images/folder.../categories.jpg 1 4981 IMG http://highhobbies.com/store/images/folder...information.jpg 1 4729 IMG http://highhobbies.com/store/images/folder...hoppingcart.jpg 1 4632 IMG http://highhobbies.com/store/images/folder...es/payments.jpg 1 4136 IMG http://highhobbies.com/store/images/folderimages/search.jpg 1 2776 IMG http://highhobbies.com/store/images/folder.../longbottom.jpg 8 1287 IMG http://highhobbies.com/store/images/folderimages/bottom.jpg 2 904 IMG http://highhobbies.com/store/images/stupid.gif 1 877 IMG http://highhobbies.com/store/images/table_...und_default.gif 1 265 IMG http://highhobbies.com/store/images/bow.gif 1 158 IMG http://highhobbies.com/store/images/laughing.gif 1 114 IMG http://highhobbies.com/store/images/topbg.gif 19 43 IMG http://highhobbies.com/store/images/pixel_trans.gif 26^ 347287* Total (^unique objects) # This site is not using HTTP compression, otherwise called content encoding using gzip. Consider compressing your textual content (XHTML, JavaScript, etc.) with mod_gzip or similar products. * CSS alternate stylesheets may be referenced in the HTML but are not actually downloaded until they are needed and are therefore not included in the total page size. Analysis and Recommendations TOTAL_OBJECTS - Warning! The total number of objects on this page is 26 - consider reducing this to a more reasonable number. Combine, refine, and optimize your external objects. Replace graphic rollovers with CSS rollovers to speed display and minimize HTTP requests. TOTAL_IMAGES - Warning! The total number of images on this page is 23, consider reducing this to a more reasonable number. Combine, refine, and optimize your graphics. Replace graphic rollovers with CSS rollovers to speed display and minimize HTTP requests. TOTAL_CSS - Congratulations, the total number of external CSS files on this page is 1. Because external CSS files must be in the HEAD of your HTML document, they must load first before any BODY content displays. Although they are cached, CSS files slow down the initial display of your page. TOTAL_SIZE - Warning! The total size of this page is 347287 bytes, which will load in 74.41 seconds on a 56Kbps modem. Consider reducing total page size to less than 30K to achieve sub eight second response times on 56K connections. Pages over 100K exceed most attention thresholds at 56Kbps, even with feedback. TOTAL_SCRIPT - Congratulations, the total number of external script files on this page is 1. External scripts are less reliably cached than CSS files so consider combining scripts into one, or even embedding them into high-traffic pages. HTML_SIZE - Congratulations, the total size of this HTML file is 20193 bytes, which less than 20K. Assuming that you specify the HEIGHT and WIDTH of your images, this size allows your page to display content in well under 8 seconds, the average time users are willing to wait for a page to display without feedback. IMAGES_SIZE - Warning! The total size of your images is 298891 bytes, which is over 30K. Consider optimizing your images for size, combining them, and replacing graphic rollovers with CSS. SCRIPT_SIZE - Warning! The total size of your scripts is 25606 bytes, which is over 4K. Consider optimizing your scripts for size, combining them, and using compression where appropriate for any scripts placed in the HEAD of your documents. CSS_SIZE - Caution. The total size of your external CSS is 5963 bytes, which is above 1160 bytes and less than 8K. For external files, try to keep them less than 1160 bytes to fit within one higher-speed TCP-IP packet (or an approximate multiple thereof). Consider optimizing your CSS and eliminating features to reduce this to a more reasonable size.
Chance Posted April 8, 2004 Posted April 8, 2004 Over 10% of the world uses Mozilla now, its #2 behind IE. You would be, pardon me, but an idiot to not develop for it. Thats literally millions of users. My advice comes in two flavors- Pick the one that won't offend you. Hard and Cynical: How to Make a Horrible osCommerce Site Warm and Fuzzy: How to Make an Awesome osCommerce Site
Guest Posted April 9, 2004 Posted April 9, 2004 not nice to call anyone idiot's, it is up to them what or who they want to develop for. there is a standard of programming out there and if mozilla throws things off way too much not worth fixing things for everyone else.
rseigel Posted April 9, 2004 Posted April 9, 2004 Seriously, ignore Mozilla. There certainly aren't "millions" of users out there and it will die off soon enough. It's simply not good enough to go up against Microsoft. You might as well make sure everything looks good on a mac while you're at it (just in case the 3 people that still own one want to look at your site). :rolleyes:
Brenden Posted April 9, 2004 Posted April 9, 2004 Seriously, ignore Mozilla. Do not ignore mozilla unless you are planning to fix your site when microsoft releases its next browser update. IE7 will render HTML in a very similar way to how mozilla renders it now. You may save yourself some hassle later down the line by doing it right, now. Perdure - Transparent Object Relational Persistence
tercanozan Posted April 9, 2004 Posted April 9, 2004 I beleive one of the best things in a site is original product descriptions. It is more thrustworthy and ethic. You'd better not copy and paste product descriptions from another site which is known by almost hobbiest
chrome orange Posted April 9, 2004 Posted April 9, 2004 lmao! mozilla is a far better browser than IE. 1 thing to remember is that HTML has rules, mozilla sticks to them strictly and IE doesn't . I never use IE anymore so any site which won't work in mozilla looses out by at least me. oh and there are millions of us world wide. when you are developing an e commerce site surely you want to make sure that everyone can see it? Andy
Jayman2 Posted April 9, 2004 Posted April 9, 2004 On your create account page, there's no input field for "state".
Pompeylad Posted April 9, 2004 Posted April 9, 2004 Check out the links below, this may be the nail in the coffin for Mr Gates. Oh yeah, take a look at what browser they are using. Project Looking Glass by Sun Micro Systems Screen shots of Project Looking Glass Pompeylad. PHP?!? Long live HTML!!!! But then again we never stop learning.
usmedia Posted April 10, 2004 Posted April 10, 2004 Why would you want to knowingly present your business as jumbled garbage to a significant number of viewers? Have you ever checked your stats for browsers? I find Mozilla to run between 10 and 17% on my server depending on the site I'm checking. That is quite significant. I agree above that IE is the browser that is the most lax with HTML standards and overlook programming errors a lot. I certainly would not build my future on Microsofts continued dominance of market share. Microsoft is falling. It may take many years but open source solutions are coming on. Linux is available on the shelf next to windows. My Opera browser is so much more efficient than IE that there is no comparison. For real, think about your decision to design for Microsoft. It is just too easy to download a few browsers and check your work and tweek it here and there. A couple extra megs of disk space and 5 extra minutes of testing should be a small price to pay to ensure all your customers have a good experience. For 10-17% of your viewers to think you can't design a site and leave without shopping this would be time well spent in salvaging those prospects. John
paulm2003 Posted April 14, 2004 Posted April 14, 2004 Seriously, ignore Mozilla. There certainly aren't "millions" of users out there and it will die off soon enough. It's simply not good enough to go up against Microsoft.Hi Bill Siegel and other IE only developers, for your information just some numbers: Mozilla has about 10% of the market at the moment (rapidly increasing number), that could easyly mean there will be over a million Mozilla users in even a very small country like the Netherlands soon. And it certainly means many millions over the whole world! If you go for IE only you will scare away over 17% of your costumers! And this number is increasing every month :D . source: http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
nrlatsha Posted April 14, 2004 Posted April 14, 2004 Stats can be skewed for anything, i wouldn't necessarily trust alot of stats out there. How are they guaging this? Downloads, hits to their site? The only numbers you can believe are the ones visiting your site. This is what I have for a small snapshot for about 8000 visitors: MS Internet Explorer No 95.8 % Mozilla No 2.3 % Netscape No 0.6 % Opera No 0.4 % Safari No 0.3 % Unknown ? 0.1 % Firebird No 0.1 % Konqueror No 0 % Galeon No 0 % LibWWW No 0 % Others 8 0 % Of course your results may vary... Personally, I need to get my site working with Moz. 10% or .001% its still a customer, and we all know building and coding the site is easy, getting people there... not so easy. 9 times out of 10 its a PEBCAK Error (Problem exists between chair and keyboard) Replace that and you're fine...
Chance Posted April 15, 2004 Posted April 15, 2004 MS Internet Explorer Visits 62164 = 83 % Mozilla / Firebird Visits 12375 = 16 % Less than 1% to other browsers. Give that traffic up if you don't want it. My advice comes in two flavors- Pick the one that won't offend you. Hard and Cynical: How to Make a Horrible osCommerce Site Warm and Fuzzy: How to Make an Awesome osCommerce Site
rseigel Posted April 15, 2004 Posted April 15, 2004 Mozilla accounts for less than 2% of all my traffic across every site that I own (17 sites and counting). I couldn't care any less if any of them can see them or not. I'm already more than happy with the money I'm making. ;)
daverb Posted April 15, 2004 Posted April 15, 2004 the centred text on your homepage looks like amateurish. add some formatting to the product descriptions -- it looks as though they've just been copy'n'pasted in and don't follow any site style. add something to "specials" or take it off: otherwise the site looks unfinished.
paulm2003 Posted April 15, 2004 Posted April 15, 2004 The only numbers you can believe are the ones visiting your site.Obviously this only true if your site looks and works fine in all browsers. If your shop doesn't work well for a certain browser you will only be counting the new visitors using that browser (since there won't be many of them returning). Back to the topic: Site looks great, but I agree with Dave about the centered texts. And your product images look bad (or is that mentioned already?). Check the image size settings and install a thumbnail contri (if you haven't installed it already).
HighHobbies.com Posted April 16, 2004 Author Posted April 16, 2004 Those are all for "show" as tests...
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