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stevepurkiss · July 3, 2003

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cannuck1964 · July 3, 2003

Hi all,

I am curious, what is everyone looking for in this cms??

I read about this cms thing all the time....but no one ever asks for functionality, just for cms and I have seen that most cms (s) have different functionalities,....

Some idea of the functionality would be nice.....might be that it is already made up and just needs to be added to your code??

I would like to see a functionality list this cms is supposed to do.....

I am sure there are already most of what you want already done.....just need to add the contributions in.....

cheers,

July 3, 2003

I look for an API to store and retrieve articles in a database. Possibly templates would be a good thing as well. The articles should be able to be put into categories and sub-categories and there should be full-text search. The Article input should have a WYSIWYG editor that works in both IE and Mozilla.

I don't want weather, news, RSS feeds from slashdot or php.net, etc. I don't want forums like phpBB or IB integrated into it because I have a preference towards vBulletin. I don't want to use a links system that doesn't fit my needs so you can scratch that as well. I don't want to be forced into a 3 column layout.

cannuck1964 · July 3, 2003

Possibly templates would be a good thing as well. The articles should be able to be put into categories and sub-categories and there should be full-text search. The Article input should have a WYSIWYG editor that works in both IE and Mozilla.

Well you have seen the template system I made and you did not like it.....I have made up an article system similar to what you want, does not have search or sub catagoies....but does the rest....it too was included with the template system....

when MS2 comes out, I will be upgrading the system so it is multi-language as well....

I don't want to be forced into a 3 column layout.

the template system is set up how ever you want....the next version will be much better.......

cheers,

July 4, 2003

Actually, you are correct. I didn't like the template system you had posted earlier. Maybe it has changed but when I think of templates, there should be no PHP processing in the templates. The only thing related to PHP that is should contain are variables that hold the content. All the template systems proposed so far are simply PHP includes that happen to hold the HTML code. The HTML is not separate from the PHP.

Here is the template that I use on one of my forum sites. Notice the lack of PHP in the template:

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Harald Ponce de Leon · July 4, 2003

Warning, this thread is going offtopic.

The only thing related to PHP that is should contain are variables that hold the content. All the template systems proposed so far are simply PHP includes that happen to hold the HTML code. The HTML is not separate from the PHP.

<if condition="$bbuserinfo[userid] == 0">

What's the difference if that is done in PHP or in Smarty (or whatever engine you're using)?

BTW, since the forum rules state all work discussed in the forums are under the GPL license, did you just put vBulletin under the GPL license? :D (due to its viral effect)

cannuck1964 · July 4, 2003

Code:
<if condition="$bbuserinfo[userid] == 0">

What's the difference if that is done in PHP or in Smarty (or whatever engine you're using)?

or <?php require(DIR_WS_BODY . PAGE_NAME); ?>

I think that people are wishing for something that is along time away from now....a simple template system that uses minimal php code, and this code is transferred from layout to layout is the way to go for now...going with an API type of system would make for a very serious learning curve for the whole communtiy again....

cheers,

July 4, 2003

BTW, since the forum rules state all work discussed in the forums are under the GPL license, did you just put vBulletin under the GPL license? :D (due to its viral effect)

Nope, but you can put that template under GPL. Templates are separate from the engine itself and freely distributable.

July 4, 2003

I didn't want to post no code on this site. I'm not a programmer and I wanted to have OSCommerce intergrated with the rest of my site. I think the suggestion that OSCommerce is only a shop and its users should only run a shop on their site sounds a lot like M$ philosophy to me.

So.. I wanted both.. and I started to mess around with it. Got some help of a friend what who did some work on the database code of OSCmmerce. Uploaded it double to both my https dir and my httpd dir. And stripped OSCommerce from all unrelated blocks.. (menu navigation worked in PHPNUke) Included it in my site design with HTML Wrap and some tricks and it worked. Took me two hours in total and it was nowhere perfect, but I just mean to say that if a few people who really knew what they was doing (and not a amateur like me who can't code PHP in the least) this would be solved by now.

I just ask myself, if 10 coders put a month of spare-time in this, to what result would it lead?

Regards, Mnemo

July 4, 2003

Is it possible to start a project on sourceforge dedicated to this problem?

Regards, Mnemo

July 4, 2003

I just ask myself, if 10 coders put a month of spare-time in this, to what result would it lead?

Ask yourself this instead.

If I want it bad enough why don't I learn how to do it myself? :wink:

It's obvious that the OSC team has no interest whatsoever in working with CMS integration. Why can't everyone simply respect that? If you want something different then do it yourself. That's the beauty of Open Source.

webmedic · July 4, 2003

I look for an API to store and retrieve articles in a database. Possibly templates would be a good thing as well. The articles should be able to be put into categories and sub-categories and there should be full-text search. The Article input should have a WYSIWYG editor that works in both IE and Mozilla.

I don't want weather, news, RSS feeds from slashdot or php.net, etc. I don't want forums like phpBB or IB integrated into it because I have a preference towards vBulletin. I don't want to use a links system that doesn't fit my needs so you can scratch that as well. I don't want to be forced into a 3 column layout.

sounds like you want postnuke .8 Seriously we have most of those completed the 3 column thing will be a part of posntuke .8 and the theme engine is backwards compatable with older verions of posntuke also.

July 4, 2003

I asked myself that and I also tried it already. With results. I like PHP and building websites a lot. My problem is that I don't know maths. Its a serious handicap if you want to learn programming. And as this is just a hobby for me and not something I would like to make my proffesion I didn't find the time to learn myself maths as well.

I asked sourceforge if I can host a project there for this purpose. If anyone would like to help send me an e-mail at [email protected] and I let you know about the project details as soon as I recieve them next week.

If everyone wrote a piece of code instead of a comment on this one we would be half way.. ;)

mnemo

webmedic · July 4, 2003

I just ask myself, if 10 coders put a month of spare-time in this, to what result would it lead?

Ask yourself this instead.

If I want it bad enough why don't I learn how to do it myself? :wink:

It's obvious that the OSC team has no interest whatsoever in working with CMS integration. Why can't everyone simply respect that? If you want something different then do it yourself. That's the beauty of Open Source.

I already have next week there will be a new project at noc.postnuke.com that will be handeling this issue. I will also be including acounting and possibly pos within the same system. It will all be able to be administered from a centralized admin panel. I will base the accounting side of things on ossuite. Since they use an older version of osc for the shoping cart I will update to the current release snapshot most likely for the shoping cart part.

Really osc code will take a while to go through as there is no central api. The first part will be to seperate all the html out and make templates for it then from what is left it will be converted over to an api. The rest of osc can be done through hooks and blocks. It will be very simple to handle ratings and comments for instance as this is already a part of postnuke and can be doen with a simple hook. most of the rest of the functionality is simply blocks.

I would estimate about a 2 month release for at least people to have something to look at. There will also be some more projects like a gallery module way beyond current functionality of others out now. This will be able to hooked into postosc or whatever it is named to allow for instant thumbs for the pics as well as for instance a gallery for each product.

Another poster is right it's about time that these things be taken care of we have all been waiting to long. The ossuite guys have given me the ok for this little project. The osc team seems to be more or less indiferent so good luck to them but it's time to take things to the next level.

webmedic · July 4, 2003

I asked myself that and I also tried it already. With results. I like PHP and building websites a lot. My problem is that I don't know maths. Its a serious handicap if you want to learn programming. And as this is just a hobby for me and not something I would like to make my proffesion I didn't find the time to learn myself maths as well.

I asked sourceforge if I can host a project there for this purpose. If anyone would like to help send me an e-mail at [email protected] and I let you know about the project details as soon as I recieve them next week.

If everyone wrote a piece of code instead of a comment on this one we would be half way.. ;)

mnemo

dont know which cms you will be using but you posted while I was working on my responce it would be advantageous to work together on this.

Email me [email protected]

July 4, 2003

Which one has the largest userbase? Which people would benefit the most from such project? I think its PHP-Nuke but I'm not completly sure. And would it be much work to also make it work in Post-Nuke?

Personally I'm getting quiet familiar with PHP-Nuke now. so that would have my choice, but I'm still developing my own site and have no problem to switch to another CMS.

Hopefully I hear soon from Sourgeforge if my project is accepted, otherwise I'll be more then willing to help on yours.

Regards, Mnemo.

July 4, 2003

sounds like you want postnuke .8 Seriously we have most of those completed the 3 column thing will be a part of posntuke .8 and the theme engine is backwards compatable with older verions of posntuke also.

Actually I have looked at Postnuke many times and the code is not up to the quality that I look for in a project. I doubt I would ever use it or any other php-nuke derivative. I am looking for a CMS not a portal.

ElLeonBlanco · July 6, 2003

Buenos dias los gentes:

I have been involved one way or another with computers, operating systems, and networking since I was in college in the late 70s. I have spent many nights til the wee hours of the morning trying to figure out why software just sometimes won't work. OK, so OsCommerce may currently not be the current end all of E-commerce but it is heading in that direction at a steady pace. Few open-source projects receive as much attention as this one. For example, spend a few thousand dollars on a Dialogic E1 interface card and try to build a telephone switch using Bayonne. Been there, done that, made it work, and have the mental scars to show for it.

OsCommerce is a gem. Sets up easily and can be totally operational in less than a day. I have looked at several of the actual live stores running on it and many times with amazement. It is mind boggling to see what can be done with a good solid back end platform like OsCommerce and a bit of imagination along with a little coding talent. Sure, there are a few options needed that would make product mangement and listings a bit more functional but I am sure many are already in the plans. Rome was not built in a day you know.

The development team on this project is actually that, a TEAM. From what I can tell they communicate very closely and quickly correct anything that isn't 100%. I wish I could find a way to be useful in assisting them but alas, I am not a programmer. Just a person that can often times find a mistake or make a small modification to the existing code so it better suits my needs. If any of the development team read this post I offer my sincerest gratitude. For your work to date is a job well done. I look forwards to seeing what other imaginative and useful features you have in mind for us.

And by the way, keep Oscommerce the way it is! Please don't ever merge it into someone else's software package.

I may have missed one feature that I would find very useful. I primarily handle sites that support online pharmacies. I have noticed a possible shortcoming in the catalog products section. For example: say we sell a package of 30 aspirin for $5. It would be nice to be able to offer the package containing 90 aspirin for $12 on the same page without having to create a new product listing.

For those of us that work with OsCom daily: PLEASE!

Keep improving your already superb system and don't let the "I am not skilled enough to use your software." crowd get you down. Remember most of the people that complain are also the ones that can't even use a word processor to it's full potential.

July 6, 2003

For example: say we sell a package of 30 aspirin for $5. It would be nice to be able to offer the package containing 90 aspirin for $12 on the same page without having to create a new product listing.

Nothing to do with the topic of the thread, but have you tried creating an attribute of the 30 pill bottle that adds 60 pills?

Option name would be Size. Option value would be 90. When used with that product, option price would be $7 ($12-$5).

Hth,

Matt

meandrew · July 6, 2003

I think I will skip the restof the thread as it was lost well before I got to this post, which says it all really:

It is extremely frustrating and nerve wrecking to have the work you've done for hours get undone because you update to a new snapshot. Almost every time I add a new contribution that requires altering the source code in some way, something goes wrong. Some contributors do not give clear instructions. They might be excellent programmers but lack skills on giving directions. Furthermore, whenever I update to a latest snapshot, I lose everything I have managed to add successfully. It shouldn't be so! I tried saving the changes to the application_top.php files under the local/configure.php but it did not seem to work. Then again, there were no instructions on how to do this or how it works (using the local/configure.php). Now, I've noticed some changes (improvements) in the coding in the lastest snapshots. That's great but . . . the contributions' coding remains unchanged! So, where the instructions say to look for this line saying so and so, the syntax has changed in the new snapshots. More time consuming tasks hunting down the right lines to modify!

So, you don't want to be like the other guys! Fine, it's your prerrogative but sharing means making it easier for others to follow and also contribute to the initiative. There is no need to let ego and arrogance blind us! Making things hard, confusing and sooooo time consuming hardly helps advance anything and being inflexible discourages most people who could greatly contribute to this project. If there are methods and tools out there already set up to make changes easier and less error prone, why not use them? If you don't like what is out there, create your own and make it available to the community. It would make your work and ours much faster and easier!

Andrew

webmedic · July 6, 2003

sounds like you want postnuke .8 Seriously we have most of those completed the 3 column thing will be a part of posntuke .8 and the theme engine is backwards compatable with older verions of posntuke also.

Actually I have looked at Postnuke many times and the code is not up to the quality that I look for in a project. I doubt I would ever use it or any other php-nuke derivative. I am looking for a CMS not a portal.

Well you have not seen .8 and if you had looked at the code you would easily see that any module could be taken out or added as needed in any release of postnuke. That is the nice part about postnuke.

As for users I'm not sure about which is the most used I know we get at least 10,000 visitors a day on the site not including the forums wich are down right now for security updates(phpbb fault not ours). The forums have 10,000 members and the site has over 46,000 members. If thats not enough for you then well I dont know.

Now to cover the cms part. Well that is part of .8 also. I assume oyu mean being able to handle static content and the like also is you would have looked a little there are alreadt modules available to do that now. Paged and one other are available. It is very easy to add this and just leave off the news module if you dont want it. Just like it would be easy top add a commerce module along with ap, ar, gl, and any other type of module you may want to use.

That is the one reason why postnyuke has flurished because of the ease of use and the ability to easily customize it. This is only going ot get better. The modularity really sets it apart in this respect.

ElLeonBlanco · July 6, 2003

I have been following this thread for several days now. Finally went to the postNuke site and took a look.

MY QUESTION IS:

What in God's name does postnuke have to do in any way with relating to E-commerce?

Looks like a blab board software for whiners that can't figure out why they loose their Google rankings.

Content management??? HAH!

I sell products. I couldn't give a hoot about running a BBS.

Please take your PostNuke viral desires and spread them someplace else!

From what I have seen here. The people that work with OsCommerce are serious about improving the way products are sold on the net. Not blabbering about overlinking porno sites and getting removed from search engines.

WANNA SEX CHAT? Try IRC.

ElLeonBlanco · July 6, 2003

After years of being involved in the ISP business and having to put up with "script kiddies" on a DAILY basis anything with the word NUKE in the title is very disturbing to me.

So you may have a large following of computer inept beginners utilizing your programs. As the line from the Shania Twain song goes "That don't impress me much."

Another thing, this is NOT the place to advertise your products.

Since you like the word NUKE so much go author another DOS script.

To all my esteemed OsCommerce friends and collegues:

I wrote this B4 my morning coffee. So if it is a bit harsh I apologise. :twisted:

webmedic · July 7, 2003

cant say and none of your generalizations pertain to me anyway. The idea is not as you put it but rather as in the services the core provides to the modules installed. It jsut so happens that most use it for the porpose of being a news agigator and portal type site. However there are some of us that do use the core for other things. The idea is waht the core can do and really what modules you have installed.

All I can think to say to you is if you have nbot used it then you dont know what you re talking about. It installs very easily. About 2 minutes maybe. You would have to have some seriously old or beta servers or be inept for it to take longer. The idea here weather you like it or not which I and others have worked hard for is to provide a solid core that allows this kind of usability and interoperablilty with the different modules you have installed.

cannuck1964 · July 7, 2003

Hi all,

I still have only two suggestions, both by the same person,

one to have a template system, and the other for an article system. Is this all that people are looking to achive with this integration?

What other functionality does Post Nuke etc. have that people want to use with osc?

I would still like to see that this functionality be made for osc, rather then having any type of merging. I have made up the articles with catagories, all done via an admin tool.

As a first version, it did not have multi-language capabilities. This is now fixed and i will be releasing it shortly. What I would like to see is it to have a search feature and sub catagories logic put in place....

Aditional functionality that you are looking for rather then a merging might be a better way to achieve what you are looking for here......

cheers,

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