What do you expect?

[ocularmagic]

By adding a cart to the CMS, they can start to sell things.

 

I can see that, so I'm assuming that everyone here that is asking osC to implement a CMS is also asking their respective CMS to integrate a cart? It seems the postnuke guys may be interested. Why not implement osC into the CMS instead of the other way around. If the CMS' have this modularity all set up where you can just plug stuff into it, why can't we just plug in osC yet?

[judgej]

If the CMS' have this modularity all set up where you can just plug stuff into it' date=' why can't we just plug in osC yet?[/quote']

 

Because OSC is not modular enough. Yet. The cart and CMS and core are all mixed up with the presentation and the logic. There are no layers (i.e. APIs) where the cart can be cut away from the catalog and plugged into something else.

 

I think it's getting better all the time though.

 

-- JJ

[ocularmagic]

I see. Thanks for the info Jason.

[Broadway]

I think the crux to all of the issues lie like this.

 

 

If i was a super coder I would start a project that took the best of the best in the php/mysql CMS/CRM/ERP/SHOP and I would start one big modular project that allowed people to turn on/off functionalities and would allow people to skin/theme/mod any which way they want..

 

 

THATS SOFTWARE.

 

I can see this vision in my head just need the dev skills to start. Sourceforge is where I would put it.

 

I hope that made sense.. I can project/product manage, just dont ask me to code ;P im a hacker and a very bad one at that.

[Guest]

I hope that made sense.. I can project/product manage, just dont ask me to code ;P im a hacker and a very bad one at that.

 

That is the primary problem with open source projects. Way too many "managers"...far too few coders. More people need to learn how to code effectively if they want to see huge projects like you're proposing. There's just not enough talent to go around. If you want to see it so bad get your hands dirty and learn how to do it yourself. Everyone had to start from scratch at one point or another. :wink:

[Guest]

I'm just a simple user and website administrator of my own site. (See http://www.latinfashion.nl ). For what I need is actually a shop, I sell stuff and first I started to use OSCommerce.

 

This was a revolution to me, I was simply amazed by what was possible. But after some weeks I came to realize I needed more freedom in my ways to design the site, add functions and so on...

 

So now I'm using PHP-Nuke with some crap half translated shopping cart script which is hard to configure and really hard to intregate as well.

 

My wish is indeed a seamingless intrigation of OSCommerce and PHP Nuke into one. (Or any other CMS). I was really happy to see some discussion was brought to live about that, because the only option what came close to that was some guy what made a half solution and asked 50 bucks for it. (In two hours I managed to do the same trick he did, but this is not the solution I'm looking for)

 

I'm dissapointed to say the least to see the admins of this forum killing this topic as soon as it comes to live. I don't think this would be a bad thing to do for OSCommerce. It would certainly increase its amount of users and developers... Think of that in the long-term and imagine how that will improve the final product over years.

 

Please stay open-minded and listen to what everyone has to say. Some ideas might not be so bad.. That's all I wanted to say and add to this...

 

Hopefully eventually it will lead to a happy marriage between OSCommerce and CMS.

 

Kind regards to everyone,

 

Mnemo.

[mattice]

I think this topic is turning from a suggestion into fingerpointing to the developers of osCommerce, which I think is pretty lame.

It's now suggested we're not open to suggestions - this is not the case.

You suggested we should make it easier to integrate with CMS's outthere and I told you we're not planning to do so.

That doesn't mean it will never happen - it just means it is not on our agenda for the osCommerce development path.

The code base will eventually be restructured which in itself will make integration easier.

 

We focus on a good stable secure e-commerce solution - not on integration in whatever other solution. So many people, so many wishes.

We're sorry if osCommerce is not the solution you need, or if it doesn't behave like you wish it would.

 

Nobody is stopping you to choose another development path and share what you have with the devs /community.

 

I'll repeat: stop whining about it and start doing some work on it - that will make ALL our lifes easier :D

 

Mattice

[BipolarChucker]

There's some interesting comments and some pretty useless ones in this conversation.

 

There's a lot of things I didn't know how to do with OSC so I picked up a HUGE book on PHP and I'm still reading it, learning as I go....the annoying thing is that I still can't fathom out classes :'( I am quite literally a PHP and MySQL newbie in every sense of the word. I have never ever touched a programming language before and RDBMS meant nothing.

 

OSC made me want to learn PHP and MySQL and I want to say thankyou for that. :D

If the dev team had made it a plugin to an existing CMS, forum or whatever then I can guarantee I would only have wanted to learn enough so that I could implement it and nothing more. The fact that it isn't easy to change the design means I was given a reason to learn PHP and MySQL and I'm not complaining, infact I'm happy about it! That's one more thing to put on my Curriculum Vitae (Resume).

 

For all I know I might become a PHP Guru some time in the future. ;)

[Guest]

I guess I'm on my own if I say that I think this is a narrow-minded point of view.

I think I just put online what I have done so far manipulating the two scripts to work together (database and graphic intergration) and see who can add better stuff to it. That's the whole point of opensource right?

 

Expect the site to be up in a day or two and the URL posted in this topic :)

 

Happy downloading and coding everyone.

 

Mnemo

[Guest]

Correction, make that a couple of days more. I realize I need some days of work to bring it in a releaseable form. But it works and it does the same as OSC-NUKE. (Maybe I used more amateuristic ways to get to the same results, but who cares)

 

Hopefully that will lead to a decent shopping cart solution for most CMS's out there.

 

Mnemo

[mattice]

Expect the site to be up in a day or two and the URL posted in this topic :)

Happy downloading and coding everyone.

 

Please contribute it to the Contributions section, as stated in the forum rules:

Any features mentioned in the forums must be freely available under the GPL license and freely downloadable at the Contributions section on the osCommerce support site.

 

Thanks,

Mattice

[burt]

Expect the site to be up in a day or two and the URL posted in this topic :)

Happy downloading and coding everyone.

 

Please contribute it to the Contributions section, as stated in the forum rules:

Any features mentioned in the forums must be freely available under the GPL license and freely downloadable at the Contributions section on the osCommerce support site.

 

Unless of course you use the lame excuse that the files are too big. Then you can host it anywhere you want. ;)

 

You could even charge for it if you wanted. That's a freedom of the GPL.

[mattice]

Your point being?

[burt]

Your point being?

 

That the Forum Rules are pointless. And quoting them is lame.

[sgflowers]

Your point being?

 

That the Forum Rules are pointless. And quoting them is lame.

 

what is lame is having a forum with no rules or guidelines how about we just have one continuous thread for all posts all topics if no rules apply

[mattice]

I don't see how forum rules could be pointless, or how quoting them can be lame.

But fortunately like anybody else inhere your entitled to your opinion :)

[burt]

But fortunately like anybody else inhere your entitled to your opinion :)

 

That's the beauty of Open Source ;) :D

 

I don't see how forum rules could be pointless, or how quoting them can be lame.

 

Becuase they are not applied in *all* circumstances. Files too big - can't be made available on Osc. Files are not zipped or tarballed - can;t be made available on Osc.

 

But the rules state that they must be made available. Pointless rule? I think so.

[burt]

Argh. My point being, if the user cannot therefore upload the files to Osc, then he cannot discuss the files on Osc.

 

If he cannot discuss the files on Osc, then how can he (or she) get help.

 

Does that make sense.

 

As an example:

 

I have the categories infobox, using rollover images, but it only works in IE. I need help to get it working across browsers - but I cannot discuss it here as it is on a development site, and I do not want to upload code (which is really rubbish code at teh moment) to the contributions section, as people will download it and expect it to work.

[mattice]

OK - makes sense.

 

You'll be happy to know the rules have been extended and will be updated

along with the forum software.

They also address your worries over contributions and expectations.

But I guess you allready were aware of that.

 

And you can always release it as alpha code :D

 

Mattice

[burt]

But I guess you allready were aware of that.

I was aware of changes, but was hoping that there would be a little leeway somewhere to allow for the example as above - this wasn't made clear in the conversation I had...so that's good.

 

And you can always release it as alpha code :D

 

Mattice

 

After having worked in this environment for a few years, you'll know as well as I that Alpha code will be expected to work and that the contributor will be inundated with emails moaning about why it doesn't. No thanks ;)

[judgej]

 

Eeh. How many times have I seen peoples backs put up through rules quoting? I beg - please save the rules for when things go really wrong, otherwise it just creates a bad atmosphere of control. A suggestion that there is a better place for contributions to be posted would go down much better.

 

-- Jason

[mattice]

You don't have to beg ;)

Should probably have done what you suggest - but I took the shortcut to the end result :shock:

 

Anyway - the last thing I want is to contribute to bad atmosphere in these forums.

 

Mattice

[Guest]

Can someone tell me exactly what the specific benefits of integrating a cms would be? How would shoppers benefit from it? Would it generate more sales somehow?  As a shop owner, I want people to spend money.  How is a CMS going to increase their spending?  I'm not being sarcastic, I really would like to know.

 

It's not only about adding a CMS or not - you could save coding-effort by using the Postnuke-API. As simple as that. There is a permission system. There is a user system. There is a templating system. Save time and use it. It would even make osc more secure as the whole pn community would have an eye on the API.

 

And you don't prescribe your users to only have a shop. THEY can choose if they want the rest of the CMS or not.

 

And to answer directly to your question: Have you ever been on the website of some automobile company? They have beautiful websites with shops - but no info around it. On the other Hand there are hundred thousands of people on car newsgroups, in forums and making their own websites. If you really want so sell on a large scale you need a community - people who hang around your site. They give you free feedback on your products and how to improve them. Probably some would give free support to new customers...

[ocularmagic]

It's not only about adding a CMS or not - you could save coding-effort by using the Postnuke-API. As simple as that. There is a permission system. There is a user system. There is a templating system. Save time and use it. It would even make osc more secure as the whole pn community would have an eye on the API.

 

Well, if the osC dev team wants to do it their way because they think it's better and want to use the same coding standards etc. as they already have, then I can see why they wouldn't use your API. I'm sure they would consider all of the CMS API's if/when they decide to go down that road. But, people write new things all of the time because they don't want or like what's out there. I'm not a CMS guru at all but I doubt Postnuke was the very first CMS out there. Did you take someone else's code and use it because it was already done, or did you code it yourself?

 

And you don't prescribe your users to only have a shop. THEY can choose if they want the rest of the CMS or not.

 

I would hope so.

 

And to answer directly to your question: Have you ever been on the website of some automobile company? They have beautiful websites with shops - but no info around it. On the other Hand there are hundred thousands of people on car newsgroups, in forums and making their own websites. If you really want so sell on a large scale you need a community - people who hang around your site. They give you free feedback on your products and how to improve them. Probably some would give free support to new customers...

 

I can understand your point here, but don't totally agree with it. I think it can go both ways, you can have a great community on your shop, but then it's just another thing to worry about. Moderating being the main thing. You get a few bad apples and the community can go to hell. If I really wanted a CMS to go along with my shop right now, I would take the two seconds to create a second database, set it up, and put a link to it on the front page of my shop. Since it's so easy to change the look of CMS', I would just modify it to look like my site and be done with it. That way, if one get's screwed up i.e. the shop or the CMS, the other one is fine. Just my opinion.

 

Another thing is a lot of people complain about having to create another account to buy stuff hence the purchase without account mod. If they want to be part of the community they will definitely have to create another account unless there is going to have anonymous access.

[Guest]

And to answer directly to your question: Have you ever been on the website of some automobile company? They have beautiful websites with shops - but no info around it. On the other Hand there are hundred thousands of people on car newsgroups, in forums and making their own websites. If you really want so sell on a large scale you need a community - people who hang around your site. They give you free feedback on your products and how to improve them. Probably some would give free support to new customers...

 

This analogy is really bad.... Autobytel.com is probably one of the largest automobile dealers online and they do not have a community. They sell millions of cars every year.