PSA: DunWeb and a warning to NOT pay him before services...

[builder_bob]

Just an fyi, @@DunWeb is not a person that you should pay prior to any services. I'm sure that he is talented at what he does, I am sure that his work is quality but, at this point I have filed police reports regarding his "theft by deception".

 

I write this with a very heavy heart because I know that this sort of thing is a terrible thing to do. I would never intentionally try to defame or hurt anyone's reputation on a forum like this. At the same time, I realize that this is in fact hurting my reputation. Wrong or right, I believe that this is the proper thing to do to help protect the integrity and TRUST of the community and those that really do try to help and are reputable.

 

I paid for 2 templates and the labor to merge them and their features together on January 20th. The work was supposed to take 5 days, its been almost 90 days since our agreement. It wasn't a huge amount of money, but it also isn't a huge amount of work, especially considering that the templates were done already. Since then I have been so patient. I have sent encouraging and non-rushing emails and PM's repeatedly. It has only been in the past couple of weeks that I have taken any threatening stance toward Chris Dunn. I have been asking for a refund for at least a month. I'd love the work to have been done but, at this point I must just try to recover my money and get it done some other way.

 

I had posted something about just trying to contact him about a month ago and because of the stir that it created- of others who are out money he contacted me via email. He explained that while I was not defemating his character, others were and they were not telling the whole story. Apparently, several of you have had similar problems with Chris, hell there's even a banner on his profile warning of this (I wish that I would have heeded that warning). He said that if I didn't have it removed, he wouldn't give me my templates. I contacted one of the community heads and they removed it hoping that things would be taken care of. Unfortunately, after nearly a month, it is still not resolved and he still will not contact me. I feel that I have gone way above and beyond what any normal person would do to try to be "understanding and accommodating" I really have as I work with software engineers and they are just plain weird sometimes, so I know how to work with their type.

 

Currently, I have filed a report with my local Police department as well as the Windsor Police Service in Ontario where CDPD Group is located. I am quite sure that Chris will be hearing from the WPS as he has done this to others and whom have gone down the same road as me. For someone that is so prevalent on this forum, I would never have expected this.

 

So, again, I understand that my reputation is now ruined, I may be the whistle blower, I may be a whiner... regardless, this individual has really impacted my trust level of the community. I have no problem "falling on the sword" so others do not endure the same amount of pain that I have felt. My business is small, the money that I am out hurts and I know many of you are much smaller. We need to be able to trust in those that are "for hire" until this, I couldn't say a single negative thing about the community. Hopefully, this issue will be resolved.

 

Geoffrey Walton is fantastic, by the way, and very trustworthy.

[♥Biancoblu]

@@builder_bob

 

I am sorry to hear about all your problems and wish you the best possible experience with your new found developer.

[Guest]

No very smart considering the pending legal action, but thank you for providing me with more information to use against you.

[Harald Ponce de Leon]

Soon we'll need a new forum channel for all the issues posted against you Chris. Please keep this thread updated with the legal status.

[foxp2]

since when a forum is a court?

Soon we'll need a new forum channel for all the issues posted against you Chris. Please keep this thread updated with the legal status.

you're too funny than excellent manager :thumbsdown:

[♥Biancoblu]

since when a forum is a court?

 

I see your point and agree that a forum is not a court room, however, try putting yourself in Harald's shoes, his forum keeps getting complaints against the one and same developer with his clients (or ex clients) claiming they've lost money and taken legal action, that is very serious stuff.......and that has been going on for ages now, so what would you do in his place? just pretend nothing's happening and shove it under the carpet?

[npn2531]

I can imagine what that call with the Police must have been like:

Rob: "Hello Police"

Police: "Yes"

Rob: "The contractor working on my internet site is really slow, and I'm upset and have had to start posting bad things about him. I think I'd like my money back but he won't talk to me now or give me back my templates"

Police:"What are templates?"

Rob:"They are electronic files I emailed him"

Police: "Did you keep copies of those files?"

Rob: "Yes, but I am a really nice person and now I'm having trust issues and it's the internet.

Police: "Okay, we'll fire up the Batmobile and coordinate a joint raid with the WPS and CDPD. That perp will never know what hit him"

[builder_bob]

I can imagine what that call with the Police must have been like:

Rob: "Hello Police"

Police: "Yes"

Rob: "The contractor working on my internet site is really slow, and I'm upset and have had to start posting bad things about him. I think I'd like my money back but he won't talk to me now or give me back my templates"

Police:"What are templates?"

Rob:"They are electronic files I emailed him"

Police: "Did you keep copies of those files?"

Rob: "Yes, but I am a really nice person and now I'm having trust issues and it's the internet.

Police: "Okay, we'll fire up the Batmobile and coordinate a joint raid with the WPS and CDPD. That perp will never know what hit him"

 

no really that is completely inaccurate. This was an initial purchase of his templates. I am not hear to argue with you. but this is a common occurrence with him and it has lead to several people contacting me about it. If you dont understand the "complaint" or wish to mock a basic fraud, then please do it elsewhere. It is not about taking too long, it is about professionalism and large sums of money. Those of us that have filed reports are out several thousand dollars. This is not a game or antagonistic threat.

[npn2531]

Rob's posting reads like a vague, whining complaint of uncertain substance. It begs mocking. Rob may have a real issue that deserves legal attention, but as written this just looks petty, like two people who can't get along. There is no description of fraud. For example 'supposed to take 5 days but its been 90' sounds like a communication problem, not a breach of contract. Any legal authority listening to a rant like the above would have to work at it to find something actionable.

[foxp2]

it's time to put things right.

I think that security holes in oscommerce 2 have done more hurts to oscommerce reputation's than Chris will never do in the next twenty years.

I do not support, in any way, such threads on this forum.

:thumbsdown:

[Mark Evans]

No very smart considering the pending legal action, but thank you for providing me with more information to use against you.

 

I've heard that statement more times than I care to count, its a shame that legal action is your first response rather than working towards a mutual solution

[♥Biancoblu]

@@foxp2

 

Are you for real? security holes have got absolutely nothing to do with this at all and cannot be compared to the services provided to clients by their developers.

 

Anyway, I suggest you keep working on your twig stuff, and on security holes, and let Harald decide what threads he wants in his forum.

[Mark Evans]

it's time to put things right.

I think that security holes in oscommerce 2 have done more hurts to oscommerce reputation's than Chris will never do in the next twenty years.

I do not support, in any way, such threads on this forum.

:thumbsdown:

 

security holes in oScommerce are so 2009 and considering how long the codebase has been around the small number of issues show how much the hard work and dedication of people who have contributed to the codebase over more than a decade has paid off

[foxp2]

@@foxp2

 

Anyway, I suggest you keep working on your twig stuff,

i really fucking don't care about your suggestion.

 

@@Mark Evans lol ! i'm going to cry ....

[Harald Ponce de Leon]

Laurent, I welcomed personally helping you the first time when you started to help with development on v3.0. At the first collision though during our discussions you deleted your code and repositories at GitHub and ranted that you'd be going away and use another e-commerce solution just because you weren't getting your way. You came back shortly after and I helped you personally a second time with development and BAM, the same thing happened again - you deleted your code at GitHub and ranted like a small child.

 

You came back again a third time but this time I did not reply to any of your public postings. And you were developing code on your own and I admired you for what you were achieving on your own. Really. I am not the only one admiring your work as others have congratulated you on the work you have been doing.

 

Please stop though with the childish attitude. You are free to criticize me and by doing so publicly, please show the same respect when criticism comes back in your direction.

 

Otherwise continue to show your true face and you will lose all respect - and not only from this community.

[greasemonkey]

I've heard that statement more times than I care to count, its a shame that legal action is your first response rather than working towards a mutual solution

 

Let me tell you... @@DunWeb has had soooo many chances to resolve things with me it is truly beyond description.

 

@@DunWeb needs to realize this cannot go on. Eventually these thing catch up to you...

 

@@Harald Ponce de Leon, thank you for leaving this thread open.

[♥joli1811]

i really fucking don't care about your suggestion.

 

@@Mark Evans lol ! i'm going to cry ....

 

I really do not like when forum members have to resort to using derogatory terms to express an opinion.

 

We are every day and do read this!!

 

I do not like use of bad language maybe a bit old fashioned but when the x 1 F***ing starts... everybody starts so use proper language.

 

I have no problem with French / German etc .

 

Thousand comments but please keep clean or you lose respect .

Just my opinion do not like F**** so spare me please with bad language.

 

It does not belong on a forum.

 

Regards

 

Joli

[♥Gyakutsuki]

i really fucking don't care about your suggestion.

 

@Mark Evans lol ! i'm going to cry ....

 

I think the public must have the respect, to disagree ok, but to insult, I am not ok, Sincerely, I don't understand your agressivity.

[builder_bob]

this is why I tried to refrain from direct derogatory statements. My initial thread was merely a suggestion to others that they should first receive the work from @@DunWeb before paying him as he has proven repeatedly that he is not trustworthy. I was not trying to give every detail of my account with his company as I do not wish to post dates and emails, invoices and agreements. This thread was not to judge anyone or whine or complain. The thread title is this "PSA" Public Service Announcement. Since I have been taken advantage of, having never even been given the opportunity to download the templates I paid for- worked on or not- I felt necessary to mention it to the good people of the community. This thread is/was my last step along with the legal action to try to recover my money.

 

There have been several months of attempts at reconciling this issue. the fact that this is the first time you have seen anything like this from me, is because I didn't want to bring an issue here to try to resolve a problem. As stated above, every other avenue toward resolving this was thoroughly exhausted.

 

Again, PSA= public service announcement, Im just giving a notice and sharing my costly experience so others may think twice before making the mistake I and others have already made.

[npn2531]

Part of the art to making a good case, legal or personal, is to make statements that are obviously factual, or at least appear to be obviously factual. On a public forum that is an important part of people's business, I believe that if you are going to trash someone, then it is only responsible that you make a solid case. Stick to the critical content. Saying stuff like 'he is not trustworthy' is not much different than saying 'he is a jerk'. It's kinda meaningless, and reflects as much on you as your target.

 

Give a specific example of the untrustworthiness. For example you keep going on about the templates. Make a clear concise account of what happened and you may be taken more seriously, and your warning may be better heeded, and you'll look like you are being fair as you will be giving the other party a fair chance to respond.

 

Btw: as word of advice, if you are contemplating legal action, making public statements to the effect you are 'threatening' the other party or even publicly threatening the other party with legal action, is not a good thing, as is indeed providing the other party with information that can be used against you.

 

Trust me, I know this legal stuff, after all when I was much younger I watched most of the Perry Mason episodes, and my favorite TV show is 'Judge Judy'.

[♥altoid]

Trust me, I know this legal stuff, after all when I was much younger I watched most of the Perry Mason episodes, and my favorite TV show is 'Judge Judy'.

 

clearly a serious topic but ok...this part was amusing

[npn2531]

Actually Judge Judy is a fascinating show, and can teach you a great deal about human nature, specifically how easily it is to screw your life up by letting your emotions and/or pride get in the way of logic and common sense. Just watching people go at each other tooth and nail over a $50 deposit, or a minor dent in a fender encourages you to reevaluate one's own behavior.

[♥Biancoblu]

clearly a serious topic but ok...this part was amusing

 

I agree Steve :thumbsup:

 

I was kind of expecting something like "Trust me, I know this legal stuff, after all when I was much younger I went to law school, or, I was/am a lawyer", instead I read mention of Perry Mason and Judge Judy....

 

I'm probably getting old, or stupid, or both, but where I come from people wanting to learn matters of the law just go to law school, and don't take TV shows for text books.

 

*Biancoblu quickly ducks so as to avoid further F word comments* :sweating:

[npn2531]

.....instead I read mention of Perry Mason and Judge Judy....

Are you knocking Perry Mason?

[builder_bob]

@@npn2531 I hope you are not the detective investigating this......