greree Posted March 20, 2003 Share Posted March 20, 2003 Two posts I made to this forum disappeared, one in the last few minutes. Anyone know why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harald Ponce de Leon Posted March 20, 2003 Share Posted March 20, 2003 They, actually "it" as they were both the same, were off-topic. , osCommerce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greree Posted March 20, 2003 Author Share Posted March 20, 2003 Before I posted I searched through the forums looking for other people who offered to pay people to help them. I found many,which means none of them were deleted. General Chat was the forum that looked to me to be the closest to my topic. I asked specifically for people to PM me rather than post to the forum. Explain to me exactly why I'm not allowed to do this, but other people are. Also, deleting my posts with no warning or explanation was rude. A simple PM would have been the proper thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harald Ponce de Leon Posted March 20, 2003 Share Posted March 20, 2003 We're starting a program to clean up the forums from off-topic posts. A sticky post will soon be made that outlines what this forum channel should be used for. , osCommerce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greree Posted March 20, 2003 Author Share Posted March 20, 2003 Is there a proper place in these forums where I can make posts of that type? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greree Posted March 20, 2003 Author Share Posted March 20, 2003 Since you neglected to answer my last post, I'll just make posts in each forum until they stop disappearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdfwilliams Posted March 20, 2003 Share Posted March 20, 2003 And, hey, if you "just make posts in each forum until they stop disappearing", maybe YOU'LL disappear, too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greree Posted March 20, 2003 Author Share Posted March 20, 2003 This is between me and Harald. Kindly mind your own business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattice Posted March 20, 2003 Share Posted March 20, 2003 If it's between you and Harald send him an e-mail or PM. Just because you feel you're neglected does not give you the right to crosspost, sorry. So please don't. And it is a public forum.... ;) Mattice "Politics is the art of preventing people from taking part in affairs which properly concern them" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greree Posted March 20, 2003 Author Share Posted March 20, 2003 I don't feel neglected, and I wasn't planning on crossposting. I was planning on posting in one forum and waiting to see if it got deleted, then post in another forum. Since only one post would exist at any given time, it isn't crossposting. And, since I need this information, and other people have offered to pay for services on a regular basis, I'm going to keep posting it until it stops disappearing. Besides, Harald said my post was off topic in this forum, not in all forums. So I assume there are other forums where it is allowed. Since no one told me which forums allow it, my only choice is to post and wait to see if it gets deleted. After searching through the posts, I found a forum that someone posted in a few days ago offering to pay for help, and Linda McGrath offered her services, so I assume that forum is appropriate. If Harald had bothered to PM me, or move my post to an appropriate forum, that would have been OK. But he didn't. He deleted my posts twice with no explanation. And yes, I realize that as site owner Harald is free to act like a spoiled brat, but I have a right to voice my disagreement about his behavior. After all, this is a public forum. :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattice Posted March 20, 2003 Share Posted March 20, 2003 I don't feel neglected, and I wasn't planning on crossposting. I was planning on posting in one forum and waiting to see if it got deleted, then post in another forum. Since only one post would exist at any given time, it isn't crossposting. Crossposting is posting the same message multiple times, wether we delete the post or not does not matter. Why don't you simply respect what Harald told you, we are currently discussing the matter internally and will come forward with a general rule set a.s.a.p. Untill that time we can / will delete any commercial post, as stated in the forum rules. You are making this a personal issue which it is not. Mattice "Politics is the art of preventing people from taking part in affairs which properly concern them" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greree Posted March 20, 2003 Author Share Posted March 20, 2003 I searched the forums. I found posts similar to mine in most other forums, including this one. Since there were no rules against it, I made my post. It disappeared with no explanation. So I posted it again. This one also disappeared, again with no explanation. So I asked why. Harald answered with a short message saying "off-topic", and no other explanation. I asked why others could do it but not me. He answered that it was something the team was thinking about doing, but no agreements had been made, and no rules had been posted. So I asked where could I post. No one answered. Harald may be the site administrator, but he also acted like an a**hole. I don't take crap from anyone, including site administrators. I'm sorry if you don't like my attitude towards Harald, but in this situation he did little to earn my respect. I posted twice because my first post disappeared. The second time my post disappeared I asked why, and was told it was off topic for General Chat. I then asked where I could post, but didn't get an answer. So I looked for a forum where someone recently offered to pay for help and was answered by a team member. That's where I made my last post. And the post I made wasn't a commercial post. It didn't advertise anything, offered nothing for sale, and mentioned no website. I specifically asked to be contacted off the forum. So far I don't see where I broke any rules. So what exactly did Harald say that I didn't respect? Or did you even read the thread? And no, I didn't make it a personal issue. You did. You're not God, you're just a team member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattice Posted March 20, 2003 Share Posted March 20, 2003 You're not God, you're just a team member. Damn. Just my luck. "Politics is the art of preventing people from taking part in affairs which properly concern them" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greree Posted March 20, 2003 Author Share Posted March 20, 2003 greree wrote:You're not God, you're just a team member. Damn. Just my luck. No, wait. I admit I was wrong. I remember someone did call you an "osCommerce God". My mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harald Ponce de Leon Posted March 20, 2003 Share Posted March 20, 2003 Yikes - better calm down a little :!: I searched the forums. I found posts similar to mine in most other forums, including this one. Since there were no rules against it, I made my post. It disappeared with no explanation. So I posted it again. This one also disappeared, again with no explanation. And yet again in another forum channel. But I am just being a spoiled brat ;) So I asked why. Harald answered with a short message saying "off-topic", and no other explanation. I asked why others could do it but not me. He answered that it was something the team was thinking about doing, but no agreements had been made, and no rules had been posted. So I asked where could I post. No one answered. The reason for not answering is not due to ignorance, but due to having other issues that had a higher priority of taking care of. No one else from the team replied as we are still discussing if a separate forum channel should be made available or not. Harald may be the site administrator, but he also acted like an a**hole. I don't take crap from anyone, including site administrators. I'm sorry if you don't like my attitude towards Harald, but in this situation he did little to earn my respect. That's too easy to bite. I posted twice because my first post disappeared. The second time my post disappeared I asked why, and was told it was off topic for General Chat. I then asked where I could post, but didn't get an answer. So I looked for a forum where someone recently offered to pay for help and was answered by a team member. That's where I made my last post. Sorry for not being clear. I think you said it best though: That's what Google is for. Anyone who wants to find commercial applications and services for osCommerce can easily search the web. This forum is for non-commercial installation and configuration advice. If you want to post spam feel free to create your own forum. And the post I made wasn't a commercial post. It didn't advertise anything, offered nothing for sale, and mentioned no website. I specifically asked to be contacted off the forum. ..and it didn't have anything to do with osCommerce. So far I don't see where I broke any rules. So what exactly did Harald say that I didn't respect? Or did you even read the thread? Your postings were offtopic. You should have waited for the outcome of this issue before making a third posting in another channel. And no, I didn't make it a personal issue. You did. You're not God, you're just a team member. He is not God, but he has Godly status :D [check weekly #18] As Mattice said, don't get upset if you find further postings being removed due to them being offtopic. Wait for the outcome of the issue to find out if such postings are allowed and where. I hope that is not too much to ask for. , osCommerce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greree Posted March 20, 2003 Author Share Posted March 20, 2003 By the way, I meant no offense to you personally, Mattice. You just got in the way when I started spouting off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greree Posted March 21, 2003 Author Share Posted March 21, 2003 Thanks for the detailed explanation. I won't post anymore requests for paid help until the policy has been decided. greree wrote:I searched the forums. I found posts similar to mine in most other forums, including this one. Since there were no rules against it, I made my post. It disappeared with no explanation. So I posted it again. This one also disappeared, again with no explanation. And yet again in another forum channel. But I am just being a spoiled brat. From my point of view the post just disappeared for no reason, so I reposted. When the second post disappeared, and I asked, you said that my post was off topic for that forum. So I posted in another forum where the post seemed to be appropriate. I can't read your mind. The reason for not answering is not due to ignorance, but due to having other issues that had a higher priority of taking care of. No one else from the team replied as we are still discussing if a separate forum channel should be made available or not. I had no way of knowing that. Like I said, I can't read minds. The statements of mine you posted about commercial posts were out of context. You know I wasn't talking about people offering to pay for help. Why would you quote me out of context when I can easily go back and post the entire thread? I also said this. I would suggest that you make as many posts as you want of a non-commercial nature. People who are interested in managed affiliate programs would most likely see your URL in your signature. If they're interested, they'll click on it.I have nothing against discussions of a commercial nature, as long as they don't happen in the forums. I also don't mind if the initial contact is made in the forum. When I made my request I asked to be contacted off the forum. greree wrote:And the post I made wasn't a commercial post. It didn't advertise anything, offered nothing for sale, and mentioned no website. I specifically asked to be contacted off the forum. ..and it didn't have anything to do with osCommerce. Are you kidding? I asked to hire someone to do graphics design on my osCommerce site. You're telling me asking for help on osCommerce doesn't have anything to do with osCommerce? Your postings were offtopic. You should have waited for the outcome of this issue before making a third posting in another channel.Since you neglected to inform me what was going on, I was unaware of any issues. I posted the third post in a forum that had a recent post on the same topic by a team member. Like I keep saying, I can't read minds. You said We're starting a program to clean up the forums from off-topic posts. A sticky post will soon be made that outlines what this forum channel should be used for. You said my post was off topic, you didn't say it was against the rules. You also said you were going to post rules for "this forum channel", meaning General Chat. So I assumed my post was off topic for General Chat, which is why I asked my next question about where to post. Mattice first mentioned your discussions at 5:03 pm my time. I made my third post at 2:19 pm my time, almost three hours earlier. Not only can I not read minds, I also cannot predict the future. He is not God, but he has Godly status [check weekly #18] Yes, I remember that. As Mattice said, don't get upset if you find further postings being removed due to them being offtopic. Wait for the outcome of the issue to find out if such postings are allowed and where. I hope that is not too much to ask for. As I said earlier, I won't make any more posts until the issue. I don't knowingly do things against the rules, but in this case you were enforcing a rule that you hadn't decided on or posted. Next time please send me a short note. I hope that's not too much to ask for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 Whooaa, im not used to hot topics in here its all so peacefull normally. But I do think there is a serious issue here. I to have seen posts where people have asked for paid help and team members have replied, or other people have asked for the work, and the threads are still there. I have also had posts asking for help be deleted. this seems a little unfair. Then I spend ages looking for them only to presumbe they have been deleted :( Maybe in the future the post could remain or at least the title, but be edited so that all the content is replaced with "topic contents deleted and post closed. No off topic posting allowed, we are working on new rules for this. Thanks for your co operation" at least that way you wont be affending anyone.:whaasup: Also like the chap above the posts i had deleted were looking for people to do OS work for me. I havent found anyone and i may have to close the site I needed the mod for :roll: Anyway as the best in the OS commerce business are based here it is logical that people willing to pay for work will search here. i think a solution would be to have a new forum "Trading post" for this exact type of thing. It could be heavily moderated ( i offer my services) and it could be that only people requesting (paid) help post there requests in here, and they should then be contacted off board. Absolutely no one is allowed to advertise services, or offer services unless approved first. So it will be a forum where people ask for services only. no advertising and people like me greree can get some help. What do others think of this ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 I apologise for my spelling and grammer above, im half asleep and the above is terrible! :oops: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greree Posted March 21, 2003 Author Share Posted March 21, 2003 That sounds good to me. I'm not against advertising, or against commercial posts. I just don't like spam. People who request paid help are fine, and people who make on-topic posts and have the URL of their company in their signature are also fine. It's the posting of commercial advertising that I object to. And that's only because after a while it tends to swamp out all other posts. Don't you people remember where the term "spam" came from? I'll give you a hint. It has nothing to do with email. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 SPAM!... isnt that some sort of processed meat? :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greree Posted March 21, 2003 Author Share Posted March 21, 2003 No, it's processed................ Well, it's processed something. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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