alonsoac Posted March 9, 2003 Share Posted March 9, 2003 Don't you think it would be good to have a commercial section in the forum where companies can advertse their products and services? This I'm sure would be useful for the community and for osCommerce. It would also help keep spam posts in one place. EDITED ... DO NOT ADVERTISE HERE ... for the 27th time: Linda I know osCommerce is about open source and free stuff. That is all well, but there are also many emerging products and services that are needed by the community, in my opinion the forums are incomplete if these needs for communication between users and commercial providers are not addressed. ---------------- Alonso Acu�a Founder and Lead Programmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajeh Posted March 9, 2003 Share Posted March 9, 2003 Nope ... just opens the place to a lot of useless spamm that does not belong here. This is a site for support on osCommerce ... not support on other software, companies, etc. Nope ... cannot find any way to agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alonsoac Posted March 9, 2003 Author Share Posted March 9, 2003 What Linda edited in my past post was a sentence that showed how honest, helpful, solicited replies to posts are being edited because they are commercial in nature. I gave an example of a post of mine that was edited because I replied by offering my services. It just reinforces my point that osCommerce needs a place where people can ask for help and companies can reply with service offerings. ---------------- Alonso Acu�a Founder and Lead Programmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greree Posted March 9, 2003 Share Posted March 9, 2003 That's what Google is for. Anyone who wants to find commercial applications and services for osCommerce can easily search the web. This forum is for non-commercial installation and configuration advice. If you want to post spam feel free to create your own forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alonsoac Posted March 9, 2003 Author Share Posted March 9, 2003 It's not that I want to post spam, the issue is that there are people who are coming to these forums looking for help that can be best provided by commercial services. Those posts should be grouped somewhere where providers can reply to them. If the people who run this forum do not want users asking for such help then it should be stated in the rules to avoid wasting time for everyone. ---------------- Alonso Acu�a Founder and Lead Programmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajeh Posted March 9, 2003 Share Posted March 9, 2003 Providing help and selling services and software are two different things. People come to the forums with questions for help ... and help is provided by members of the team, such as myself, or by other members of the community. This is not a place for commercial sales. I am not sure how you are failing to understand the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greree Posted March 9, 2003 Share Posted March 9, 2003 It is stated in the rules. The first rule in the FAQ, which you can read by clicking on the link at the top of any page, says " The forum is for information exchange only. Commercial advertising is not allowed." Besides, when someone edits your posts and says "No spamming allowed" 27 times, I would think you would catch on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alonsoac Posted March 9, 2003 Author Share Posted March 9, 2003 She was exaggerating, she didn't say that 27 times... only like 8 or 9 actually :-). Ok I see both your points, clear as water, the rules are also clear. I just wanted to see if there were other members in the community who agreed with me. ---------------- Alonso Acu�a Founder and Lead Programmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greree Posted March 9, 2003 Share Posted March 9, 2003 I would suggest that you make as many posts as you want of a non-commercial nature. People who are interested in managed affiliate programs would most likely see your URL in your signature. If they're interested, they'll click on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajeh Posted March 9, 2003 Share Posted March 9, 2003 Asking an opinion ... and posting your spamm while doing it is not ... in my opinion ... asking an opinion ... :shock: I find that a sneaky way to spamm ... You could of easily asked the question without another posting of the very same spamm that I have deleted, edit, etc. the zillion and one times that I had to do so tonight ... repeatedly. I think I was pretty clear that it was not wanted here ... was not appreciated here ... was not allowed here ... should not be made here ... Perhaps I stuttered when I was typing both private requests as well as the editings of the posts asking you not to make them? Obviously something was wrong, or I would not have to edit them each time ... would not refer you to the FAQs each time ... and not suggest you contact Harald if you any additional questions on this issue. I hope this helps clarify further that the spamm is not to be made here. This is not a commercial forum. Do have a nice day. :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alonsoac Posted March 9, 2003 Author Share Posted March 9, 2003 I did post spam on the forum today and for that I apologize to Linda for making her edit those posts and to the community as a whole for breaking the rules of the forum. Sorry, it won't happen again. But now that that issue is settled, please keep posts on-topic: if any one else has opinions regarding if they think it would be appropriate or not to have a special section in this forum for commercial posts I'd like to hear them. ---------------- Alonso Acu�a Founder and Lead Programmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greree Posted March 9, 2003 Share Posted March 9, 2003 I don't think it would work. Once the special section got filled up with people advertising, it would start to appear in other sections. A lot of spammers don't follow the rules, and once they have an opening they'll overrun the whole site. I get between 75 to 100 spam emails every day, and every one of them are for things that I'm not in the least interested in. Spammers know no limits. Besides, though I'm sure the team members would try to accommodate any reasonable request from a significant number of this community, they are under no obligation to do so. We're not paying for the program, or the forum, or the team members' salaries. They have a right to do what they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajeh Posted March 9, 2003 Share Posted March 9, 2003 Salaries? :shock: Hey Harald! I want a 10% raise ... Oh ... golly, gee ... wel heck ... 10% * $0 = $0 Guess that means the raise is out, eh? 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greree Posted March 9, 2003 Share Posted March 9, 2003 Well, heck. In that case, we'll give you a 20% raise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajeh Posted March 9, 2003 Share Posted March 9, 2003 You are too kind ... too very, very kind ... such a generous sort too ... 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alonsoac Posted March 9, 2003 Author Share Posted March 9, 2003 well maybe if I got 100 spams a day I would also be so negative about it. Or maybe I would just get a new email address and get over it. Greg I don't understand how a section in this forum can be filled up. If spammers do move into other sections Linda can come to the rescue (just kidding) :-) I still think it would not be so bad to open a new section. But I would also like to hear other ideas on how to address the needs of the people who are asking for professional help in these forums. It's clear to me that for osCommerce to grow as an e-commerce platform a professional community must grow around the basic open source one. And it is also clear to me that this is already happening, already people are asking for professional help and that help is already being offered. I wonder how is osCommerce going to adapt to this? ---------------- Alonso Acu�a Founder and Lead Programmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alonsoac Posted March 9, 2003 Author Share Posted March 9, 2003 I privately asked Linda to let me conduct this discussion freely and normally with other members to see what they think. But with so many off topic posts from your two guys anyone reading this thread is wasting his time. Maybe I should start a new topic later on if this one doesn't pick up. I will let you know so you can present your arguments once again. ---------------- Alonso Acu�a Founder and Lead Programmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alonsoac Posted March 9, 2003 Author Share Posted March 9, 2003 Did I say "two guys"?, sorry you know what I meant. ---------------- Alonso Acu�a Founder and Lead Programmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 9, 2003 Share Posted March 9, 2003 Personally, I think a commercial section would be good for the community. It doesn't have to be riddled with Spam, heck I would even moderate it if no one else would. You could put limitations on what can be posted, i.e: - It has to be OSC related and no hosting. - You have to have XX number of posts before you can place an ad. - You can only post XX number of ads per month - Etc... If done right, it will benefit the entire OSC community, heck you could even charge for the ads if you want to offset server costs and otehr expenses. Unfortunately, I don't think it will ever happen here because everyone is so against making a few dollars here and there with this eCommerce software. Fairly ironic if you site back and look at it from a different perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greree Posted March 9, 2003 Share Posted March 9, 2003 I'd be happy to present my opinions again. These aren't arguments. We aren't presenting arguments before a person or persons on whether or not we should allow commercial posts on this forum. That decision has already been made. well maybe if I got 100 spams a day I would also be so negative about it. Or maybe I would just get a new email address and get over it. Or maybe I would go to a place that's relatively spam free, and work to help keep it that way. Maybe you like to move to another bed once your own bed has been soiled. I like to keep my bed soil free. Greg I don't understand how a section in this forum can be filled up. Filled up as in only commercial posts in the section, with no intelligent discourse. When that happens the spammers will move to other areas. Don't tell me spammers will respect their limits. You certainly didn't. It's clear to me that for osCommerce to grow as an e-commerce platform a professional community must grow around the basic open source one. And it is also clear to me that this is already happening, already people are asking for professional help and that help is already being offered. I wonder how is osCommerce going to adapt to this?Please, don't insult me by trying to convince me you want this for the good of open source and osCommerce. You want to make money. Period. If you really had an altruistic motive, you would start your own forum and respect the rules of this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 9, 2003 Share Posted March 9, 2003 here here! lets keep it on focus, on topic, on purpose. I agree with the opinion that if you create a 'special' topic for commercial endeavors that it will spill over into other topics - its just the way things happen. you start making exceptions and they get out of control. there are enough people hee to help each other. if you want to advertise a service, try one of the other sites like OSCdox - it seems to have some advertising space... just my 2 cents... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alonsoac Posted March 9, 2003 Author Share Posted March 9, 2003 Come on Greg don't get like that, of course I need to make money, but you should also note that I contributed a module for which many people have sent thanks and I also help people for free in other places. I already apologized for that one post that was spam, the others are kind of a gray area if you ask me. But anyway forget about me and my "hidden motives", look at the issue at hand and look at the big picture. < Filled up as in only commercial posts in the section, < with no intelligent discourse. Yes the section is intended to be only commercial posts, I don't think commercial and intelligent discourse are mutually exclusive. I would also like to be a moderator too, for free :-). ---------------- Alonso Acu�a Founder and Lead Programmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 9, 2003 Share Posted March 9, 2003 Please, don't insult me by trying to convince me you want this for the good of open source and osCommerce. You want to make money. Period. If you really had an altruistic motive, you would start your own forum and respect the rules of this one. Isn't that your purpose for being here? The desire to make money. I am not defending the spamming of these boards and fully agree that people should operate within the rules. However to criticize someone because they want to make money on a support site for ecommerce software is pretty hypocritic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 9, 2003 Share Posted March 9, 2003 lets keep it on focus, on topic, on purpose. I agree with the opinion that if you create a 'special' topic for commercial endeavors that it will spill over into other topics - its just the way things happen. you start making exceptions and they get out of control. Really, hasn't happened on any of my forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 9, 2003 Share Posted March 9, 2003 especially when its free, open source software Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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