Waiting Posted February 1, 2003 Share Posted February 1, 2003 Sorry to be so blunt, but I have donated to this project, and so have many others but it continutes to drag on. How many years does it take to program a fully functional piece of software? This is a php shopping cart for gods sake, we are aren't recreating windows. I have nothing but respect for the programmers of OSC but something needs to happen here. Either let people help with development, or give the project to someone else. There are tons of great ideas that never get added to the software. I cannot understand why there are fully functional, feature packed, sites running modified versions of OSC out there, but the only "Stable" release available is fricking 2.1 . I know 2.2 has come a long way, but not as far as it should be. Button it up and release it already! Then go up in versions from there. What are we waiting for here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acronym B.O.Y. Posted February 1, 2003 Share Posted February 1, 2003 Sorry to be so blunt, but I have donated to this project, and so have many others but it continutes to drag on. Windows is still dragging on. I'm playing 2003 myself and its less than perfect. Apache still drags on. the linux kernel still drags on. Pretty much everything except OS/2 Warp is dragging on. How many years does it take to program a fully functional piece of software? This is a php shopping cart for gods sake, we are aren't recreating windows. It doesn't take years, and last time I checked it is fully functional. I have nothing but respect for the programmers of OSC but something needs to happen here. Have you checked out the workboard? Either let people help with development, or give the project to someone else. Do you have any idea what open source is? Do it yourself and get lost. There are tons of great ideas that never get added to the software. Didn't you see the thread about that that is stickied in the development forum? Maybe you should add to the already present 4 pages of opinions there. I cannot understand why there are fully functional, feature packed, sites running modified versions of OSC out there, but the only "Stable" release available is fricking 2.1. Get a "fricking" clue. :roll: Ever here of mod_gzip? How about mod_perl? Or maybe mod_imap? Or mod_dir? All of those are apache mods. There are hundreds of them. The reason you don't include all of them is becuase it would become horribly bloated. Not everyone has a need for the same features. Take what you want and leave the rest. 2.1 is not the only stable release. There are many others before that. 2.2 is currently being worked on (yet again I refer you to the workboard which, in your infinte wisdom seem to have not seen at all) therefore it can not be called stable as it is not complete. I know 2.2 has come a long way, but not as far as it should be. Button it up and release it already! Then go up in versions from there. What are we waiting for here? You seem to be under the impression that people here owe you something. Get bent. Then go up in versions from there. Wow, you know how to count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acronym B.O.Y. Posted February 1, 2003 Share Posted February 1, 2003 I've looked at your other 5 posts: http://www.oscommerce.com/forums/search.php?se..._author=Waiting I must say, you've done a whole lot of contributing to the OSCommerce project. :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 1, 2003 Share Posted February 1, 2003 I guess he's getting frustrated - me too! Sure nobody owes anybody anything and the project runs out of the kindness of the hearts.... maybe that's the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loxly Posted February 1, 2003 Share Posted February 1, 2003 Maybe the problem is that patience isn't in a lot of people's vocabulary. Get creative instead of frustrated. Look at something about osC that you would like to see changed and figure out how to do it. Create some new button sets, new graphics, new content files, a help file for new shoppers, a generalized faq that many new people could use. Or just work on your own store design (I haven't looked at it, I don't even know if you have a link), all stores can benefit from tweaking or from product updates or new graphics or text. There should be plenty to keep everyone that is waiting for the new Milestone busy in the interim. Have you gone and made a contribution to the team? Complaining bogs down the world and makes you miserable. Challenge your self to do something constructive while you wait. Debbie [no external urls in signatures please, kthanks] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 1, 2003 Share Posted February 1, 2003 Hi Debbie It's not a question of patience any more - it's a question of 'theory' meeting 'practice' and 'coders' meeting 'business people'. With OSC idealists are building a product for mainstream commercialism - guaranteed to produce some frustration! And guaranteed to get me a slap down for daring to ask when it will be finished, eh? Sure, I'd love to sit about patiently for a few more months getting creative and designing buttons - but who's going to pay the bills and feed the kids? Making contributions is also a thankless task with the continuous changes going on - one can only guarantee it will work on the snapshop it's made for... and tomorrow along comes a new one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waiting Posted February 1, 2003 Author Share Posted February 1, 2003 I've looked at your other 5 posts: http://www.oscommerce.com/forums/search.php?se..._author=Waiting I must say, you've done a whole lot of contributing to the OSCommerce project. :roll: This obviously isn't my regular username. I've been around a lot longer than you, and that pisses you off. P.S, You haven't made a good point yet. Only lame insults that would come from a 13 year old kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burt Posted February 1, 2003 Share Posted February 1, 2003 Why not post your thoughts under your regular username ? I find that quite strange, but it's your choice. Everything you've said is valid - if the product was a commercial offering. I think we all know that Oscommerce is mostly worked on in the core developers spare time as they all have jobs and families etc etc. I would have thought that if all of us users paid a commercial rate for Oscommerce then they (Core Team) would be answerable. But it isn't and they are not... I can't see any value to your posts, other than to atagonise people ? All IMHO etc etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waiting Posted February 1, 2003 Author Share Posted February 1, 2003 All I am asking is for them to stop being greedy, and start letting other people help. They have always made it out to be "their" project and thats why it is moving as slow as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted February 1, 2003 Share Posted February 1, 2003 All I am asking is for them to stop being greedy, and start letting other people help In the last 6 months 3 extra people have joined the Dev team. All of them regular contributors to osCommerce. Pls explain the term greedy. Have we been paid for this. Do we expect to get paid for this? If contributing is such a thankless task, maybe we should just pack it in now. :evil: Trust me, I'm an Accountant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 1, 2003 Share Posted February 1, 2003 All I am asking is for them to stop being greedy, and start letting other people help I have to ask how you figure that the developers are being greedy? I certainly don't think that they are getting rich off of donations. Are you feeling that it is recognition greed? It appears to me that lots of people help in one way or another, over the last couple of years I have seen many improvements in the structure and functionality. Are you upset because you haven't been invited to be part of the team? Or that specific contributions haven't been rolled into the core code? Other than that fact that you keep harping about a final release, I don't understand exactly what you are so mad about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 1, 2003 Share Posted February 1, 2003 I can't follow "Waiting's" comments at all... Ian, it would be a sad indeed if you stopped writing contributions. But don't you find it a touch frustrating that you work is rendered out of date by new releases? I would! The danger (IMHO) is that OSC is in danger of existing just for itself. Maybe you have such fun and satisfaction honing the code and added pieces that it would be a sad day for some were it ever finished!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted February 1, 2003 Share Posted February 1, 2003 Maybe you have such fun and satisfaction honing the code You obviously have not seen my inbox. :cry: I would prefer not to have to spend hours & hours replying to help request. I have much more interesting & sexy code that I would like to write. However, a lot of those sexy things I want to do could not be achieved without the changes that have been made to core code. When I first wrote the GV mod the code I wrote was dirty and did not integrate well. The dev team introduced order total modules into the code and BAM. The GV code I could then write was so much cleaner and better integrated. Thats the point of what the dev team are doing. Trust me, I'm an Accountant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC Posted February 1, 2003 Share Posted February 1, 2003 waiting - Were you a spoilt child by any chance?? I cant believe you have got the nerve to say something like that! And to not even have the balls to say this under your real name is actually quite sad! You obviously feel embarassed to do so, and maybe that is becos you can see the unreasonableness behind ur post. Frankly I find those words quite shocking! :shock: All this effort and time put in by open source loving developers, and this is the gratitude you show for it. Shame on you! If you want to develop, then develop your own site like we all do, then perhaps you will have less time to post such drivel as this. :roll: Lets hope Waiting is Going. CC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waiting Posted February 1, 2003 Author Share Posted February 1, 2003 It just sucks to see a project with so much potential, sit and be stale for as long as osc has. Why not start putting out final stable releases and build from there? As stated before, I am a strong supported of the developers.. but if you want this to be "your" project and work on it in your own time, then make it commercial. Otherwise, let some other people help you get this thing going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acronym B.O.Y. Posted February 1, 2003 Share Posted February 1, 2003 This obviously isn't my regular username. By definition, you are a coward. I've been around a lot longer than you, and that pisses you off. No, your arrogance (as many other have pointed out) is what pisses me off. If you are going solely by the date that my nick and your nick registered, than no, I have been here longer than you have. If you are going by how long both of us have actually been tracking OSC/TEP, than you wouldn't know because you don't know when I first started playing with the code. Don't go making assumptions about stuff you know nothing about. P.S, You haven't made a good point yet. I have made several points, none of which you have responded directly to. They include, but are not limited to: --bloating the core as compared to using modules (see mod_gzip, mod_ssl, etc) --thinking the open source community owes you something --thinking the developers here or anyone else has to listen to you --not being able to type properly --the fact that you have done absolutely nothing but complain and refuse to show us any work that you claim to have done --the fact that you post under an assumed identity --the fact that you can't control your language --the workboard, which you have not seen, after I pointed it out to you Instead of replying to those, you make remarks about how long people have been around, something you can not know at all. Only lame insults that would come from a 13 year old kid. I believe your posts are the ones by a 13 year old. I am not a teenager and my posts actually have letters capitalized properly, full, complete, developed thoughts in my sentences, creating well defined paragraphs, and something you lack... common sense. If you insist on comping here and making remarks like this, at least have the decent courtesy to formulate a direct response when one is given to you. If you can't do that, than you deserve nothing short of an IP ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acronym B.O.Y. Posted February 1, 2003 Share Posted February 1, 2003 It just sucks to see a project with so much potential, sit and be stale for as long as osc has. Why not start putting out final stable releases and build from there? As stated before, I am a strong supported of the developers.. but if you want this to be "your" project and work on it in your own time, then make it commercial. Otherwise, let some other people help you get this thing going. You can do whatever you want with it. It is not their project, it is open source, all you must do is keep the copyright in the source code. Anyone, including you, can modify it in any way they please. They don't owe you anything, but if you don't think things are going fast enough, help yourself. Or, actually create your own shopping cart from scratch and release it. I have asked you several times to put up or shut up and you have done neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loxly Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 Please don't take the thankless posts of one agitator to heart. He (or she) doesn't even have the guts to post under their real name. Causing distraction and division is detrimental to the project and this person is trying to create pressure to change osC for some unknown reason. One person's agenda should not be cause for changing the course of such a great project. If they are so dissatisfied with osC they should: 1. Design their own and see how long that takes 2. Go spend some money on something that has less than half the features and support To take someone like this seriously I would need to see something they have contributed, hear constructive comments from them, and see what they have done for the osC community that gives them the right to complain. For some reason this person seems to think that osC should be a commercial project? Then let them create their own commercial product from scratch and leave osC alone. Debbie [no external urls in signatures please, kthanks] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 3, 2003 Share Posted February 3, 2003 _____________________ /| /| | | ||__|| | Please do not | / O O__ | feed the | / | Trolls | / |_____________________| / _ || / |____ || / | | | |____/ || / |_|_|/ | _|| / / |____| || / | | | --| | | | |____ --| * _ | |_|_|_| | -/ *-- _-- _ | || / _ | / ` * / _ /- | | | * ___ c_c_c_C/ C_c_c_c____________ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waiting Posted February 3, 2003 Author Share Posted February 3, 2003 Im no troll sir. :) Just a long time contributor to OSC that is sick of his time going to waste. I spend several hours a week explaining to people how to get my mods to work on different snapshots. So *housekeeping* all of you. I will put an end to the support, and contributions effective today. Oh and *housekeeping* the donations too. Editing by Linda ... this is a family channel, thanks for understanding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rseigel Posted February 3, 2003 Share Posted February 3, 2003 Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out Mr. Troll. :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loxly Posted February 3, 2003 Share Posted February 3, 2003 Well, since we don't know who you are we don't know what we are losing. [no external urls in signatures please, kthanks] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasson65 Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 Im no troll sir. :) Just a long time contributor to OSC that is sick of his time going to waste. I spend several hours a week explaining to people how to get my mods to work on different snapshots. So fuck all of you. I will put an end to the support, and contributions effective today. Oh and fuck the donations too. Sticks and stones.... you know the rest. Look everyone, "Waiting" is going to take his marbles and go home. --with dripping sarcasm-- Oh, I'm devastated! No worries, any contribs he (allegedly) did are still there, and if you need support, there are the forums, and there are plenty of good programmers on the boards whom you can hire to fix whatever's broken. So let's all wave a fond farewell to "waiting" - parting is such sweet sorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waiting Posted February 5, 2003 Author Share Posted February 5, 2003 As long as I got my point across (which I did) then all is well. SO thank you, and *housekeeping* you ! HAHAHAHHAHA The OSC developers are a bunch of crying ass babies who don't even want to work on the project. All they can do is wine about how they dont get enough donations. WAA WAA WAA! Give the project to someone who whats it to succeed!!! Editing by Linda ... this is a family channel, thanks for understanding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loxly Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 As long as I got my point across (which I did) then all is well. What point??? That you are an idiot? Yeah, we got that point. That the team is a group of dedicated people doing this in their spare time? We got that point too. That some you would rather charge for osC, we got that also. You said you were going away, so go. [no external urls in signatures please, kthanks] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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