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wizardsandwars · January 22, 2003

Personally, I think harold or someone should make the search button like a 466x120 button, for all these people who can't seem to find it.

January 22, 2003

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I love that idea...but you know that there would still be dumb questions...

toolcrazy · January 22, 2003

The search needs to work better and also need to be a little more friendly. I think a lot of newbies get impaitent with sifting through the miles of results and think it easier to just post a question.

January 22, 2003

Steve,

A better search would be better but, I really don't think that using the search is even tought of by many. Heck they don't even seem to look at the forum and see the same thing posted a few lines before.

toolcrazy · January 22, 2003

Yep, I know what you mean. I saw that just yesterday. Same exact header even, just a couple lines away from each other. When will these people learn to read and pay attention.

I've also noticed that when you offer the link to OSCDox.com they get mad becuase you didn't just come out and answer the question that already has been answered a million times, and is also in the dox. And then they get mad becuase nobody will help with further questions. I'm sorry but this is getting on my nerves. But, I will continue to help when I can, just becuase I am a nice guy and I've been there, done that, and bought the T-shirt.

January 22, 2003

Uh huh...I think we all have that...I usually control myself but, there have been times that I let someone have it for being stupid on purpose...It really felt good :D

January 26, 2003

Forever hearing people say "use the search".... i have spent hours with this thing.... it just doesn't work!!!!.... i just did an author search for David Garcia Watkins....ZILCH!!! using every option available!...... yet i KNOW i have read posts by him..... the contribs are totally unsearchable.... they USED to have the contributor's name beside them which made things a bit easier.... this whole BB just sux... i am SURE there are much better ones... the old one was far more user friendly...

January 26, 2003

Dick,

Just for curiousity's sake I went to the search put David's name in, clicked the search for all words and got "Search found 935 matches". What is your problem? :D

January 26, 2003

Question: Do bridge dwellers ever post anything useful?

Put it in the author field, like I said.... zilch...

You tell me how to search the contributions..???

gdfwilliams · January 26, 2003

Perhaps the search should default first to Search All Terms?

I find that field useful in refining my quests ;)

January 26, 2003

Question: Do bridge dwellers ever post anything useful?

Put it in the author field, like I said.... zilch...

You tell me how to search the contributions..???

First, your remark about being a "bridge dweller" is insulting to those of us that spend a significant amout of time answering questions and giving pointers to those that ask. Just because someone doesn't hand you the answer you were thinking you should get does not make them a troll.

Second, after putting a name in the author's field and NOT getting any results, did you even try the keywords field? Obviously not or you would have gotten the list of posts that I found.

Third, the only way to search the contributions at this time is with your eyes. Yes, that means going through each list from top to bottom sometimes. The development team has better things to do that add a search to them.

We all agree the forum search is NOT the easiest to use. It doesn't bring back results in a way that we would like but, you can get results if you try.

wizardsandwars · January 26, 2003

Not to mention the fact that nearly all contributions have also been announced in the contributions forum, and would therefore show up in a search here. :roll:

I'm sorry, but if you can't figure out how to use a forum search, then you've got an uphill battle trying to figure out how to put a store together.

dreamscape · January 26, 2003

well though the search does *work* (and by work I mean return 1,000 results of which 990 have nothing to do with what you searched for), it doesn't help that phpBB's search function is absolutely horrible... really one of the worst I've seen.

and as far as searching contributions, I do believe Harald himself said he was putting in a search on the contributions... when that will come, I haven't a clue... I was fine with just browsing the contributions how they were the old way (all contributions under a category were shown)... now they are split into pages with only 20 on each page... has increased the time to find a contribution for me from about maybe 15 minutes, 30 tops to about an hour... sometimes WAY more (having to sift through all those pages).

January 27, 2003

"I love that idea...but you know that there would still be dumb questions"

"there have been times that I let someone have it for being stupid"

"What is your problem?"

These forums are full of you letting people "have it"..... people are not dumb or stupid just because they are new to something.... and that may include finding their way around.... I have been around these forums a lot longer than yourself, and have seen it go from bad to worse... in more ways than one.

As for the search engine... the whole World knows it sux...... I pointed out that the author search was not working, which you guys only proved..... for this I have a "problem"...?... No, as I pointed out, the search engine does.... people ask the same questions because it is so difficult to return a definitive result.

wizardsandwars · January 27, 2003

Johnson,

for this I have a "problem"...?... No, as I pointed out, the search engine does....

Obviously, the search does not look through the persons real name. If you use the Author search, you must enter the persons SCREENAME. For instance, if you enter 'wizardsandwars', you will see a TON of posts by me. However, if you enter "Chris Bradley" in the author field, you will see nonw.

Really, it is a very easy search to use, although it is a little confusing when it return too many rows, it returns a "not found" error instead of telling you that there were too many rows returned.

people ask the same questions because it is so difficult to return a definitive result.

People ask the same questions over and over because they do not attempt to try to learn how to use the search. Yes the contributions area should be a little easier to search through. However, the DEV team has thier plates full at the moment. I'm sure they would love if you were to program something for them that would make searching contributions easier.

After all, anyone can complain. If you really want something done about it, why not try your hand at doing something yourself?

wizardsandwars · January 27, 2003

people ask the same questions because it is so difficult to return a definitive result.

That's funny, Dick. Did you have a question in particular? Or did you just want to complain about everything?

No that I've proven that the search does work, I wonder if you will apologize. I suspect not.

January 27, 2003

"I love that idea...but you know that there would still be dumb questions"

"there have been times that I let someone have it for being stupid"

"What is your problem?"

Well Dick,

Just so you will feel better, let's take a look at my out-of-context remarks, one by one.

"I love that idea...but you know that there would still be dumb questions"

The suggestion was made that the search buttom be made very large so that it would be seen. I agreed that it was a good idea, but figured there would still be some that would not take the time to use learn to use it. Since you don't know the circumstances that preceeded the remark to begin with, I'll enlighten you. There is a particular poster that has repeatedly ignored the rules of the forum. He has repeatedly been asked to read the OSCDOX because the answer he was seeking was there and his answer was, "it's easier to get someone to give me the answer than to figure it out for myself." He has posted the exact question that was answered a few posts before and already answered, but is too lazy to read anything except his own posts. The list of problems goes on an on. I consider those to be dumb questions. For this particular person the search button could be full screen and he wouldn't use it.

"there have been times that I let someone have it for being stupid"

First, see the answer above. As a rule I am a very patient person and I believe in giving back to the community. The only time I have lost my temper has been with the poster mentioned above. If you checked my 700+ posts I have asked very few questions, made a few observations, and the rest were an attempt to help the poster find the answers to his questions. I have not accused you of being a troll, though that is not true the other direction.

"What is your problem?"

I asked you this earlier in the thread in an attempt to get to the bottom of your problem with the search function. I know it is difficult to "hear" a person's tone of voice in an email or on a forum. I posted a solution to the problem you had with trying to find a post by David Watkins Garcia and as thanks, I get slammed. I am now hoping the developers will take Burt's proposal for an ignore function seriously so, that I can add your name to the list.

Have a nice day!

toolcrazy · January 27, 2003

I, too, have a problem with the search function on this forum. But I realized the limitations of it and have learned to work around it. I found that if you just take the time and re-word your query you can come up with the result you need. I know this doen't alway work, but that is what you have to do. I have had a lot of questions answered without posting a word. I'm sure that a lot of us have.

I also agree with BirdBrain that some people just don't want to take the time to use the search. If they would take the time to read just one page of current postings. There would be a lot fewer posts to search through. And the search funtion would work better.

This is a wonderful forum, there are great people that want to help, like BirdBrain, Wizard, Ian and Linda, Oh yea Mattice. They all have helped me at one time or another and becuase of there help, I am willing to help with "Dumb Questions" and leave them to the harder stuff.

I always say: The only dumb question, is the one never asked. but, some people take this to the exetreme.

January 28, 2003

Johnson,

Obviously, the search does not look through the persons real name. If you use the Author search, you must enter the persons SCREENAME. For instance, if you enter 'wizardsandwars', you will see a TON of posts by me. However, if you enter "Chris Bradley" in the author field, you will see nonw.

Obviously!.... ummmm.... David Garcia Watkins SCREENAME is....... David Garcia Watkins.

I think it was you guys who were sitting around having a good old whine about other "dumb, stupid" users and their supposed inability to use the search. I simply pointed out, and will reiterate, that the search engine sux..... your own list of admissions to that effect is growing longer.... apologise for what?

wizardsandwars · January 28, 2003

Dick,

Can you point out a post by the guy? I would have to see this for myslft to believe it, but I'll admit it might be possible.

burt · January 28, 2003

http://www.oscommerce.com/forums/profile.php?m...viewprofile&u=8

Johnson, Davids screenname is "dgw". I guess an apology is in order ;)

If you want to recode the search facility please do feel free. The core team should rightly concentrate on the Store software, not phpBB shortcomings.

I'm not that concerned about it as the search works fine for me now that I have gotten used to it.

tobz · January 28, 2003

I find the best thing when doing a search is to be as specific as possible e.g by entering the filename or the complete name of the function you are having a problem with or the text of the error you are getting as the search term. Oh and don't forget to check the search for ALL terms option :)

wizardsandwars · January 28, 2003

Not only is DGW the actual SCREENAME of the person you are looking for, but you can also search for posts by "David Garcia Watkins" in the OLD FORUMS where 'David Garcia Watkins' was his screenname by entering "David Garcia Watkins" into the 'Search for Keywords' field, with the double quotes, and select the 'search for all words' radio button.

Search Engine Usage tip #12. When searching for an exact phrase, you should enclose the phrase in double quotes.

No one said you were dumb, or stupid. We mearly pointed out, and I'm reiterating, that the search works if used properly, and you should use it instead of asking questions that answers are easily found for.

January 29, 2003

What am i supposed to be apologising for regarding the search? It still sux.

Ok... so David changed his screename.. that is good to know...was I SUPPOSED to know that, or that the author search doesn't work for old posts?.... and why doesn't it?...... I still can't find contributions made by him... I have searched for DAYS... WITHOUT asking "stupid" questions....

So... you guys reckon that the search is fine... prove it. I am looking for a contribution made by David that changed the catalog product view to columns... i know he even posted a link to it in the forums... I cannot find that message... I have tried "http://www.oscommerce.com/community/contributions," in the search parameters.....also "DGW"....and "David Garcia Watkins"...."column"...."product"....all in various combinations etc. etc..... no joy. I am unable to find it in contributions... I know he posted after the November checkout changes.

If you find it using the search I will be amazed.... you WILL find other people having exactly the same problem.

wizardsandwars · January 29, 2003

Honestly, I could case less if you apologized.

No, you were not SUPOSSED to know that you were searching for the wrong screen name. But how is that the phpBB search features fault? You were searching for the wrong username.

And why doesn't this search work for posts that were posted on different message board software? Well, it does. It just doesn't search through "Authors" that posted on different message boad software. Why, because they did not register here. Not a stupid question, Dick.

Yes, we know that you can't use the 'search' to look through the contributions directly. And yes, we know that sux. All Kim said was that you have to look through them with your Eyes. I'm sorry that this takes time out of your busy schedule. As has been suggested, you migh consider makeing a contribuion that help facillitate this.

If it makes you feel any better, I havn't seen you ask a stupid question yet, and while you are steadfast in maintining that you are owed something by this message board software, I don't believe that your questions are the type that Kim, or anyone else was alluding too.

If I get the opportunity, I'll take a look and see if I can help you find this contribution.

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