corwood Posted December 26, 2002 Share Posted December 26, 2002 What criteria are used in assessing live shops for listing on oscommerce? A live shop (http://peg.hanut.com) I've helped in creating has been removed from this list and despite several subsequent submissions it still does not appear on the list of live shops on this site. This shop is fully functional, shows all copyright notices and as far as I can see is impeccably coded. Can anyone shed any light on why this shop was refused listing? Am I missing anything? Is there anything I can do to help this shop get listed? Martin Schranz programmer http://www.hanut.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 26, 2002 Share Posted December 26, 2002 I'm not the decision maker but, what's the big deal? Your shop is basically stock...out of the box... You haven't even implemented a different color scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corwood Posted December 26, 2002 Author Share Posted December 26, 2002 Well at least it works, which is more than I can say for your own shop and almost a third of those shops currently listed on the "live shops" list on this site. It also includes the first maltese payment module (http://www.ecommercemalta.com) and a fully functional zones shipping module. Does this not merit listing on the site? What are the criteria for listing on the site? Surely it is not necessary to change the colour scheme to get listed? I would think the most important requirement is a fully functioning and stable site. Therefore I ask the decision-maker of this site to reconsider listing of the shop http://peg.hanut.com Martin Schranz programmer http://www.hanut.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 26, 2002 Share Posted December 26, 2002 I can't speak for other shops that aren't working but, if you had bothered to read the first page you would have seen: The shop is closed for some maintenance and reorganizing. We will be back online right after Christmas. While I am still "tweaking" at the moment, you can see the FULLY functional shop at: http://www.bird-e-toys.com/osc/catalog/default.php In addition to a completely customized look, it includes a coupon module, a gift certificate mod, a members only discount, a customized FAQ mod, my own contibution for a printable catalog, numerous custom pages containing articles and several other mods. I have been using OSC for more than a year on a live site and this is just the latest version of my shop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burt Posted December 26, 2002 Share Posted December 26, 2002 In my opinion, to be listed on that page the shop should be able to demonstrate that the "owner" has put some thought into the design and of the site, and tried to make it stand out from the run of the mill Oscommerce sites (of which there are thousands). Your shop does not show any outstanding difference to any other, either in looks, logos, buttons, code or anything else. Secondly, you were very rude in your reply to birdbrain. What was the point of that ? Thirdly, have you contributed this Maltese E-Commerce solution ? If so can you supply a link as I took a quick look but couldn't find it :( - I have a customer that is based in Malta, and I'd like to get a look at it please. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corwood Posted December 26, 2002 Author Share Posted December 26, 2002 Burt, In what way was I rude to birdbrain? i don't think I was rude at all. I was not saying that birdbrain's shop should not be listed. On the contrary, birdbrain's shop, as well as several others, are live shops and therefore, are correctly listed. If birdbrain thought I was being rude surely birdbrain would have told me so ! I am just asking for the criteria used in listing. As far as I could see there is no requirement for live shops to have new buttons or an original colour scheme in order to get listed. If this was a requirement I would gladly change the colour scheme and add new buttons. Would this get the shop listed? In answer to your second question I did not really understand what link you are looking for. I would gladly supply this link if you tell me what you're looking for. Basically my question has still not been answered. What are the criteria for listing of live shops? Why are some shops listed and some not? Who makes these decisions? And why are some shops (such as http://peg.hanut.com)removed from the list without explanation? Martin Schranz programmer http://www.hanut.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burt Posted December 26, 2002 Share Posted December 26, 2002 In answer to your second question I did not really understand what link you are looking for. I would gladly supply this link if you tell me what you're looking for.Payment modules can be listed as at http://www.oscommerce.com/community/contri...ions/category,1 for the use of community. I don't see the ecommercemalta module listed...and thats one that I for sure would find useful. Basically my question has still not been answered. What are the criteria for listing of live shops? Why are some shops listed and some not? Who makes these decisions? And why are some shops (such as http://peg.hanut.com)removed from the list without explanation? Does there have to be a criteria ? It is up to the site owner to decide who and what gets listed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizardsandwars Posted December 26, 2002 Share Posted December 26, 2002 Does there have to be a criteria ? It is up to the site owner to decide who and what gets listed... Additionally, some site owners may be busy during certain times of the year (read: like this time of year) I do not believe that there are requirements for the design of the shop to be included in the live shop index, and I think that when someone get around to it, I'm sure that you're will be too. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NOTE: As of Oct 2006, I'm not as active in this forum as I used to be, but I still work with osC quite a bit. If you have a question about any of my posts here, your best bet is to contact me though either Email or PM in my profile, and I'll be happy to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corwood Posted December 26, 2002 Author Share Posted December 26, 2002 I've been trying to get this shop (http://peg.hanut.com) listed for several weeks now, hence my frustration. it was actually listed initially but then removed from the list , for no apparent reason that I can see. I'm also wondering whether there are any other live shops that have also been refused listing on this site. Regarding the Endeavour (http://www.ecommercemalta.com) payment module I have submitted it to OSC but have not got any reply at all and this payment gateway module remains unlisted. I am quite puzzled as to why a fully functioning payment module should not be listed, especially when several non-functioning payment modules are listed, and when there is so much demand for fully functioning payment modules within Europe (as evident from this forum). Again , I ask, is there any criteria that determine which payment modules get listed and which get refused? In view of the big demand for functioning payment modules integrating with friendly european banks why is such a module not accepted for listing? Anyway, Bart, I will be more than happy to email this payment gateway module to yourself or anybody else requesting it. Martin Schranz programmer http://www.hanut.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 26, 2002 Share Posted December 26, 2002 On the contrary, birdbrain's shop, as well as several others, are live shops and therefore, are correctly listed. If birdbrain thought I was being rude surely birdbrain would have told me so ! Well, I did consider your remarks rude. Is an apology going to be forthcoming? If you'll take a look at the following thread, it will explain a bit more about the process of submitting a shop to the Live Shops section. http://www.oscommerce.com/forums/viewtopic.php...ting+live+shops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corwood Posted December 26, 2002 Author Share Posted December 26, 2002 Ok birdbrain, I do apologise since I did not mean to offend, I was just pointing out that your shop was not working, that's all. The alternative link you provided works perfectly and your shop is designed very attractively. The fact that your listed shop was in maintenance, however, is incidental, in my opinion. At the end of the day your shop, as listed, was not functional, for whatever reason. On the other hand, my shop (http://peg.hanut.com) was functioning, but not listed ! Thanks for the link you sent in your last message, it confirms my suspicion that there are live shops not listed, this is comforting, but it still doesn't answer my question, what criteria are used in determining listing of live shops? Martin Schranz programmer http://www.hanut.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 26, 2002 Share Posted December 26, 2002 Ok birdbrain, I do apologise since I did not mean to offend, I was just pointing out that your shop was not working, that's all. Thanks, I think??? In my humble opinion there is a difference between being broken and non-functional or no longer in business, and a shop that is clearly marked "down for maintenance". what criteria are used in determining listing of live shops? Since it is Harald's site, perhaps you should ask him. There is an email link in the member list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corwood Posted December 26, 2002 Author Share Posted December 26, 2002 OK birdbrain, we have differences in opinion then which may have led to a misunderstanding between us. As I understand things as they stand now, in my own opinion, a shop that is down for maintenance is non-functioning, in your opinion it is functioning, but not broken. Therefore when I pointed out that your shop was not functioning I was not, in my opinion, being rude, though naturally you did think I was being rude because in your opinion I was inferring that your site had bad code, which was not what I meant in the first place, but what was the impression I unfortunately gave. In my opinion, shops listed in the live shops section should include all functioning and stable shops, irrespective of their design. I think function should be given at least as much weight as design. Listing in the live shops section is an important part of the OSC project, because it is a showcase of what can, and cannot, be done using OSC, hence my questioning of the criteria used in live shop listing and my frustration in not being able to get my own shop listed. Anyway, in answer to : Since it is Harald's site, perhaps you should ask him. There is an email link in the member list. I did email Harald ! Several times in fact. Unfortunately no reply was forthcoming, probably because he is probably very busy. This is understandable of course, and I fully appreciate the incredible work he is doing on the wonderful marvel of open-source software as is OSC. Out of curiousity, has anyone ever got personal replies from Harald regarding similar matters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Russell Posted December 27, 2002 Share Posted December 27, 2002 Corwood, A friendly suggestion - lose the bold type. It tends to read in a condescending way. Like we need the emphasis because you're the only one who gets it. Cheers, Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 27, 2002 Share Posted December 27, 2002 How are you submitting these sites? If you use the form to submit a site, it appears in the list automatically. Or at least it did before. http://www.oscommerce.com/shops/live/action,submitshop There is a similar form for submitting a contribution: http://www.oscommerce.com/community/contri.../action,package Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajeh Posted December 27, 2002 Share Posted December 27, 2002 In my opinion, shops listed in the live shops section should include all functioning and stable shops, irrespective of their design. I think function should be given at least as much weight as design. Listing in the live shops section is an important part of the OSC project, because it is a showcase of what can, and cannot, be done using OSC, hence my questioning of the criteria used in live shop listing and my frustration in not being able to get my own shop listed. To do a daily check on these sites would be rather difficult. Sometimes sites go down for maintainance. Such is the life of an elf. :shock: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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