Links Manager II

[Guest]

Hi all,

 

I installed Links Manager and it works great. (Excellent contribution thanks). Is there an OSC forum or resource where I can exchange links. What is the best way to get people to my site in and exchange links.

 

Thanks

Dan

[Jack_mcs]

You have to actively seek link exchanges. There are sites set up for that purpose as well as free directories. See my signature for a thread on how to find them.

 

Jack

[Guest]

Hi all,

 

I installed Links Manager and it works great. (Excellent contribution thanks). Is there an OSC forum or resource where I can exchange links. What is the best way to get people to my site in and exchange links.

 

Thanks

Dan

Maybe you should know that topic irrelevant link exchange is not only useless in respect to SE rankings but it will most probably cause your site to drop even lower. Index bots are using sophisticated algorithms and they are able to tell what link pointing to your site and out of it is genuine and relevant. If they find too many irrelevant in/outbound links, they will either ignore them or punish you. Free directories are also of very little help if they are the only or prevalent source of your inbound linking.

 

The best way to get good rankings for free is to have rich and well optimised content, relevant to the site title and domain name as well as VALID HTML or XHTML!!! There is FAR more to optimising a site for Search Engines than just link building. If you do it wrong and push it, you’ll end up being punished.

B)

[Jack_mcs]

Maybe you should know that topic irrelevant link exchange is not only useless in respect to SE rankings but it will most probably cause your site to drop even lower.

Simply not true.

 

Jack

[Guest]

Thanks guys, very useful info. Already managed to get a couple of links.

 

Cool!

[Guest]

Simply not true.

 

Jack

 

Hi Jack,

 

Since neither of us knows the exact details of any SE indexing algorithm and because the whole SEO “science” is mainly based on personal observations and vague, though logical assumptions, I suggest we don't argue, but:

 

1; SE’s punish you for heavy IRRELEVANT inbound linking or ignore it (especially if your site is too “young”) = TRUE

 

2; Irrelevant linking brings minimal or none LONG-TERM ranking improvement = TRUE

 

By SE I mean the big players like Google or Yahoo or MSN.

[Guest]

1; SE’s punish you for heavy IRRELEVANT inbound linking

i don't believe this either.

if this were true, it would be all too easy to take a competitor site out of the search results and i'm sure the big search engines know this.

[Guest]

i don't believe this either.

if this were true, it would be all too easy to take a competitor site out of the search results and i'm sure the big search engines know this.

Oh yes! Life just isn’t fair is it! There are many other ways to harm your competitors index ranking or even hurt them financialy. At least 2 of these ways do not even require any special knowledge.

 

As a proof, take for example Google AdWords. If you keep clicking on one particular advert every time you see it you are harming that particular site owner. Those ads cost money and you could easily end somebody’s advertising campaign that way.

 

I have been reading about SEO and receiving SEO newsletters for years now and these are not my ideas. I’d rather go by what SEO specialists say than by what I think is or isn’t believable.

[Jack_mcs]

Hi Jack,

 

Since neither of us knows the exact details of any SE indexing algorithm and because the whole SEO “science” is mainly based on personal observations and vague, though logical assumptions, I suggest we don't argue, but:

 

1; SE’s punish you for heavy IRRELEVANT inbound linking or ignore it (especially if your site is too “young”) = TRUE

 

2; Irrelevant linking brings minimal or none LONG-TERM ranking improvement = TRUE

 

By SE I mean the big players like Google or Yahoo or MSN.

You don't need to know the indexing algorithm to know that link exchanges work. Part of the process google uses to decide on the index position of a site in its listings is by the use of page rank (PR). This is well-known - even google says it is so. And while many parts of SEO work is based on observation, PR is not. It is only based on links to a site. This, too, is well known. So what you are saying is that using a process created by google and endorsed by google will do nothing for the listing on google (as I understand your statement).

 

SE's don't punish for irrelevant links to your site. If you have a link excahnge that is irrelevant, they don't give it as much credit, or possibly none at all, but that is not punishing. The whole concept of PR is to check how your site is perceived in the web. If other, relevant sites, are linking to yours, they interpret your site as more important. Links to your site should always be as relevant as they can be. But relevancy has a losse definition with link exchanges.

 

I don't put a lot of stock into link exchanges but they do work. I mention PR in particular since google is the main guiding force in all things SEO but the above applies to the other SE's as well, in general.

 

Jack

[Jack_mcs]

Oh yes! Life just isn’t fair is it! There are many other ways to harm your competitors index ranking or even hurt them financialy. At least 2 of these ways do not even require any special knowledge.

 

As a proof, take for example Google AdWords. If you keep clicking on one particular advert every time you see it you are harming that particular site owner. Those ads cost money and you could easily end somebody’s advertising campaign that way.

 

I have been reading about SEO and receiving SEO newsletters for years now and these are not my ideas. I’d rather go by what SEO specialists say than by what I think is or isn’t believable.

I'm not sure how the subject of hurting another shop owner is relevant to this discussion but, again, your information is not valid. You can't alter a shops index position by anything you do. That is just not how SEO works. Either the "SEO Experts" you are learning from don't understand the SEO process, which is actually quite common, or you are misinterpreting what they are saying.

 

Jack

[Guest]

You don't need to know the indexing algorithm to know that link exchanges work.............

Jack

According to what I’ve learned even Google punishes you if your site has hundreds of inbound links from irrelevant sources. The googlebot isn’t stupid and it knows that a site 2 or 3 months old cannot be that popular even with relevantly related sites, let alone everybody else.

 

Link exchange along with link buying is considered cheating and such links are given very little or no value at all. They mean just a little more than the old KEYWORD meta tag. And that one my friend means literally nothing. I would think you know about the KEYWORD tag, so I wonder why are you still using it on your website. It has been abandoned because of misuse and link exchange and buying are being misused in the same way.

 

Also, when somebody mentions PR I just have to laugh. Yes, you can give PR some relevancy if you only consider quality inbound links. The rest of PR is based on number of people with Google toolbar installed (or any other SE toolbar). That would mean if your target audience is made entirely of businesses, you are doomed in SE terms. Simply because businesses would use IE5.5 or IE6 on Wndows NT or 2000 without stupid toolbars. Even a SEO company here in London is using IE5.5 on their terminals.

 

Search engines have to make sure that no phoney site with ten visits per day with google toolbar and a thousand irrelevant inbound links does better than a site with a thousand visits per DAY without google toolbar and a thousand RELEVANT inbound links.

 

We could go on and on about who is wrong and who is right.

[Guest]

I'm not sure how the subject of hurting another shop owner is relevant to this discussion but, again, your information is not valid. You can't alter a shops index position by anything you do. That is just not how SEO works. Either the "SEO Experts" you are learning from don't understand the SEO process, which is actually quite common, or you are misinterpreting what they are saying.

 

Jack

I was just reacting to eww's post. Anyway, have you ever heard that if you submit your site for indexing to search engines too often, you get punished? Try to submit yours every day for a month or two. Then check your ranking. Maybe the SEO experts I have learned from are just a bunch of jokers that like to mislead people like me. In that case I'd be glad if you would teach me. Let's start with the basics..how about the KEYWORD meta tag?

[Jack_mcs]

According to what I’ve learned even Google punishes you if your site has hundreds of inbound links from irrelevant sources. The googlebot isn’t stupid and it knows that a site 2 or 3 months old cannot be that popular even with relevantly related sites, let alone everybody else.

You've learned incorrectly. Google wants to know that the links added are done naturally. I don't recall ever suggesting that it be done otherwise.

 

Link exchange along with link buying is considered cheating and such links are given very little or no value at all. They mean just a little more than the old KEYWORD meta tag. And that one my friend means literally nothing. I would think you know about the KEYWORD tag, so I wonder why are you still using it on your website. It has been abandoned because of misuse and link exchange and buying are being misused in the same way.

Again, you are wrong. The keyword tag is alive and active for MSN and Yahoo. Google doesn't use it for its intended purpose but they will still look at it.

 

Also, when somebody mentions PR I just have to laugh. Yes, you can give PR some relevancy if you only consider quality inbound links. The rest of PR is based on number of people with Google toolbar installed (or any other SE toolbar). That would mean if your target audience is made entirely of businesses, you are doomed in SE terms. Simply because businesses would use IE5.5 or IE6 on Wndows NT or 2000 without stupid toolbars. Even a SEO company here in London is using IE5.5 on their terminals.

Once again, incorrect. You are probably confusing the google toolbar with the Alexa's. Alexa's data has always been skewed but google doesn't use the tool bar for determing PR.

 

Search engines have to make sure that no phoney site with ten visits per day with google toolbar and a thousand irrelevant inbound links does better than a site with a thousand visits per DAY without google toolbar and a thousand RELEVANT inbound links.

 

We could go on and on about who is wrong and who is right.

To be blunt, you are, and in so many ways. I don't mean this as an attack. It is just a statement of fact. We can agree to disagree but if you want to do well in SEO, you need to find a different source of information.

 

Jack

[Jack_mcs]

I was just reacting to eww's post. Anyway, have you ever heard that if you submit your site for indexing to search engines too often, you get punished? Try to submit yours every day for a month or two. Then check your ranking. Maybe the SEO experts I have learned from are just a bunch of jokers that like to mislead people like me. In that case I'd be glad if you would teach me. Let's start with the basics..how about the KEYWORD meta tag?

No, yo don't get punished for submitting a site too many times. :) You can get punished if you use an auto-submitter and they find out about it but not if you just go to google and submit each day. But this is similiar to the comment you made about hurting another persons site, why would you do this. To be honest, I've never submitted a site to google, or any of the search engines. There's no reason to do so since they find you so quickly nowadays. Why would one waste his time submitting everyday, unless, of course, he didn't understand how the search engines work?

 

As mentioned previously, I don't know if your SEO Experts are a bunch of jokers or if you are misunderstanding them but something is not quite right.

 

Jack