A GOOGLE question for all !

[phi148]

I've been hit by google bot over 5000 times since my website went live (only about 1 month) however... i'm still not indexed!

 

Yahoo has stared indexing me... but google must not like me.

 

Curious how long it took everyone else?

 

Thanks!

[Jack_mcs]

A typical wait time for a new site and google is 2-3 months. On the other end, MSN usually indexes in a matter of weeks. So, instead of waiting for google to get to you, you should be optimizing your site so that it gets to a top 10 on MSN. When google finally lists you, you stand a better chance of ranking well with them, although it won't be in the top 10 for a while, most likely.

 

Jack

[phi148]

A typical wait time for a new site and google is 2-3 months. On the other end, MSN usually indexes in a matter of weeks. So, instead of waiting for google to get to you, you should be optimizing your site so that it gets to a top 10 on MSN. When google finally lists you, you stand a better chance of ranking well with them, although it won't be in the top 10 for a while, most likely.

 

Jack

 

When you say optimize my site to be a top 10 on MSN.... how exactly do you do that?

 

I have header tags contribution, and SEO URL's, keywords, etc....

 

Is there anything else I can do?

[Jack_mcs]

How to properly optiomize a page is beyond the scope of the forums although bit and pieces of how to do so have been covered here many times. So you can fnid the information if you search for it. Basically, you need to make sure the keyword(s) you have chosen for the home page are good keywords for your site and then use them in the text on the page. Also, there are about ten SEO related contributions that should be installed for best results. These have been listed in various threads also.

 

Jack

[mpiscopo]

Bill,

 

Spend the next few months adding content (text descriptions) to your website and getting lots of links (both inbound only and reciprocal). These two will keep you busy for a while - and they will yield the greatest results.

[driftwood]

Bill,

 

Spend the next few months adding content (text descriptions) to your website and getting lots of links (both inbound only and reciprocal). These two will keep you busy for a while - and they will yield the greatest results.

 

I've found the biggest influance to SEOs in the domain, then the title, then the combination between the description & site text, then the keywords and links to and from your site. Sure the are more but that my experiance.

 

MSN seem very keen of header content, google seem more concerned about links into your site.

 

Both were on my site within days (because I had links from other sites setup). MSN is now looking very good for me, top 2 place for 2 keywords and loads of pages indexed. Google however takes a lot longer, although I'm index I'm not ranked and have no pages in the first 50.

 

It wouldn't harm to download Advaned Web Ranking, you'll learn a lot from that even on the trial 15 days, I did. At the very least it'll tell you the correct number of letters in descriptions etc.

 

All the best.

[JuegoMac]

HI

 

I am new to all this and eager to learn. Whats SEO?

 

:)

[Jack_mcs]

See this.

 

Jack

[driftwood]

I'm about to launch a new site, so as a test we'll see how long monsterfast.net takes to show up in google.

 

I have added the site's banner to my existing site football4sale.co.uk and now I will manually add the url to google today. I will use some software to check the status and list the pages showig up each day from now. I'll report back when it shows up.

[Mediajuggle]

I don't know.. i've been lucky... I've had most of the sites I've done indexed in about 2 weeks... so I'm always perplexed when I see that it's taking some people months to get indexed. My music store got indexed in 2 weeks and Google seem to "re"index every week...

[phi148]

I don't know.. i've been lucky... I've had most of the sites I've done indexed in about 2 weeks... so I'm always perplexed when I see that it's taking some people months to get indexed. My music store got indexed in 2 weeks and Google seem to "re"index every week...

 

Consider yourself very lucky.... I'm still waiting! Approaching 3 months now :(

 

Googlebot has literally crawled my site over 10,000 times... so I don't understand at all.

 

Yahoo has indexed me right away 400+ pages

 

MSN only has about 40

 

Google : 1 page (my home page)

[driftwood]

I don't know.. i've been lucky... I've had most of the sites I've done indexed in about 2 weeks... so I'm always perplexed when I see that it's taking some people months to get indexed. My music store got indexed in 2 weeks and Google seem to "re"index every week...

 

Depends what you mean by "shows up"

 

If I seach on the domain my site showed up in a few days, now it's got about ten links. But does it show up for a keyword ? not yet.

[abra123cadabra]

My site was indexed pretty fast in Google, MSN and Yahoo to be dropped completely by Google for about 6 weeks, although Google has been on my site almost all day, every day.

 

I found that Google doesn't seem to care about the description meta tags but MSN and Yahoo do, so I just added some text from my product descriptions in there. Didn't install the header tags contrib as I had modified my code already. My title tag is showing something like "Buy Teekanne Glühfix - The House of Fine Foods & Teas", the URLs have the product name as well (Ultimate SEO URLs) and I mention the product name several time in the product description.

 

Google has my sitemap submitted too but it keeps dropping by anyway. MSN seems to have forgotten about me but I'm experimenting with tagging my product pages with del.icio.us which gets Yahoo to check my site more often now.

 

I managed to get added to DMOZ pretty fast and I have a few backlinks from site listings. Google loves my site and I got a page rank of 3 for the home page and 1 or 2 on several other pages within a few months.

 

After launching my adwords campaign I'm getting quite a few referrals from them and increasingly organic search results so I must be going the right way, although I haven't got a clue which is the right way.

 

Anyway, my products are pretty well known so a brand name is usually the keyword and if this can be found in the page title, URL and product description I'm listed mostly on the first page of search results.

 

If you want to take a look what I've done to please the search spiders, disable Javascript and switch the view to "no style" in Firefox.

 

abra

[driftwood]

There go we have a result in our experiament;

 

Monsterfast.net went live Nov 27th

 

Home page crawl: Googlebot last successfully accessed your home page on Dec 15, 2006

 

The domain note not a link to it, went into Google on Dec 15th.

 

Not bad :thumbsup:

[Mythology]

hi;

 

i am indexed by google when i add a SEO URL contribution on my web. in a few hours. it had crawled over m site a few times when i give place a sponsoredlink to adwords, but i wasn't listed top on sarches.

 

Now i'm about to add an inline frame of 0 px to 0 px html page which has all my products with buy word before and after them. I think it will make a difference.

 

 

also if the higher amount of links makes the site on top of google searches; i will also have an invisible link to google search result page :) i am wondering if the crawler will take it or not :=)

 

Hey; do not search for a clean toplist; give an invisible link to: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=insomnia .)

 

That's an idea. Hope works.

[monito]

I've been hit by google bot over 5000 times since my website went live (only about 1 month) however... i'm still not indexed!

 

Yahoo has stared indexing me... but google must not like me.

 

Curious how long it took everyone else?

45 days...

 

pat

[abra123cadabra]

As far as I know google doesn't index what's in an iframe. I would still follow the true way by adding content to the pages. Google ranks you higher if your pages are relevant to the searchers (ie. they click on the result link).

 

abra

 

 

hi;

 

i am indexed by google when i add a SEO URL contribution on my web. in a few hours. it had crawled over m site a few times when i give place a sponsoredlink to adwords, but i wasn't listed top on sarches.

 

Now i'm about to add an inline frame of 0 px to 0 px html page which has all my products with buy word before and after them. I think it will make a difference.

 

 

also if the higher amount of links makes the site on top of google searches; i will also have an invisible link to google search result page :) i am wondering if the crawler will take it or not :=)

 

Hey; do not search for a clean toplist; give an invisible link to: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=insomnia .)

 

That's an idea. Hope works.

[driftwood]

There go we have a result in our experiament;

 

Monsterfast.net went live Nov 27th

 

Home page crawl: Googlebot last successfully accessed your home page on Dec 15, 2006

 

The domain note not a link to it, went into Google on Dec 15th.

 

Not bad :thumbsup:

 

In general trying to fool google falls on hard ground and if your site gets dumped for it you'll find it hard to get it back.

 

Many people think they know how google works but I've not seen anyone that really does, I know I don't. From my own research I know they take great stock in the domain name and I think they rate .com higher the co.uk etc but don't know why they would do that. A common idea is links play a big part but I've a thory that they don't get you rankes higher they just get you more entries. I think the number of pages indexed by google it directly linked to the number of links you have in and out of your site. I don't know this as a fact but my own site was stuggling, I monitor it weekly, to get much more then 20 odd pages in google. Then I enabled the links info box and now I'm up to more then 200.

 

Keywords seems to make little difference for my topic. I know a site that has no meta data like keywords and the content on the site is hardly impressive or rich with links yet it gets top ranking for a keyword and it's not even in the domain name.

 

Thats my experiance but sure it's different for everyone.

 

Personally I think google will fall off it's perch soon, the searches often contain reems of what are rubbish in the form of other searches. It wouldn't take a lot for another search engine to become the popular choice if they can stripe out such rubbish in some way.

[jpweber]

On the particular domain I'm working on now, http://www.thevisiondepot.com, it's like this:

 

The domain is 6 months old.

 

The site has been developed for about 4 months.

 

I've installed Header Tags, Ulitimate SEO's, Links Manager, and many more.

 

I've spent hours and hours and days and days listing in directories, blogging, writing articles, and exchanging links with websites in relevant industries, and high PR sites.

 

I'm listed in the Yahoo directory, Business.com Directory .... I tried DMOZ 4 months ago, but they still don't have an editor in my category, and every time I apply, I get denied -- each time for a different reason.

 

The googlebot, msnbot, yahoo's bot ... they're all on my site constantly, all day, all night, every day, every night.

 

I have unique page titles, page descriptions that don't go overboard. I have relevant keywords throughout my text on the site, and every product has a description (some more lengthy than others).

 

In a search pertinent to my industry, such as "machine vision mounts", I rank #2 and #3 in Yahoo. #2 in MSN.

 

I have a Google PR of 0. I'm not in the top 500 in google for ANY relevant search. When I do a site:thevisiondepot.com in Google, more than 3,000 links come up. But nobody will ever find these links. I've researched The Google Sandbox pretty well, and I believe in it, and I'm hoping I'm still in it. I will celebrate the day I ever get a PR. I will celebrate even more the day I get some Google SERPS.

 

Until then, I'll just wait in confusion, and keep digging with that shovel, getting that sand out.

[phi148]

On the particular domain I'm working on now, http://www.thevisiondepot.com, it's like this:

 

The domain is 6 months old.

 

The site has been developed for about 4 months.

 

I've installed Header Tags, Ulitimate SEO's, Links Manager, and many more.

 

I've spent hours and hours and days and days listing in directories, blogging, writing articles, and exchanging links with websites in relevant industries, and high PR sites.

 

I'm listed in the Yahoo directory, Business.com Directory .... I tried DMOZ 4 months ago, but they still don't have an editor in my category, and every time I apply, I get denied -- each time for a different reason.

 

The googlebot, msnbot, yahoo's bot ... they're all on my site constantly, all day, all night, every day, every night.

 

I have unique page titles, page descriptions that don't go overboard. I have relevant keywords throughout my text on the site, and every product has a description (some more lengthy than others).

 

In a search pertinent to my industry, such as "machine vision mounts", I rank #2 and #3 in Yahoo. #2 in MSN.

 

I have a Google PR of 0. I'm not in the top 500 in google for ANY relevant search. When I do a site:thevisiondepot.com in Google, more than 3,000 links come up. But nobody will ever find these links. I've researched The Google Sandbox pretty well, and I believe in it, and I'm hoping I'm still in it. I will celebrate the day I ever get a PR. I will celebrate even more the day I get some Google SERPS.

 

Until then, I'll just wait in confusion, and keep digging with that shovel, getting that sand out.

 

 

You took the words right out of my mouth. I'm in the SAME boat as you.... welcome to the club. :(

 

Someday the google gods will bless us I hope. I've put in countless amounts of hours... same contributions... but the PR is 0 .... sigh.

[Jack_mcs]

I have a Google PR of 0. I'm not in the top 500 in google for ANY relevant search. When I do a site:thevisiondepot.com in Google, more than 3,000 links come up. But nobody will ever find these links. I've researched The Google Sandbox pretty well, and I believe in it, and I'm hoping I'm still in it. I will celebrate the day I ever get a PR. I will celebrate even more the day I get some Google SERPS.

 

Until then, I'll just wait in confusion, and keep digging with that shovel, getting that sand out.

You are at position 6 on google for "machine vision products." Some people are just never satisfied. :)

 

Jack

[jason32835]

You are at position 6 on google for "machine vision products." Some people are just never satisfied. :)

 

Jack

 

 

I think a lot of people are confused about getting indexed and ranking on Google. Getting indexed is easy, it is having your keywords rank on Google that is the hard part.

[Jack_mcs]

Yes, that is true. Although I'm sure Jason knows the difference. I was just kidding with him.

 

Jack

[jason32835]

Yes, that is true. Although I'm sure Jason knows the difference. I was just kidding with him.

 

Jack

 

 

Oh I know.. I was actually looking at some of the original posts in this string. Jason is brilliant we all know that.. :D

[jpweber]

ahem ... which "Jason" are you referring to? Surely not me!