bellabree Posted May 8, 2006 Posted May 8, 2006 Hopefully this is a quick help??!! In my Administration/Configuration I am after advice on what I should set my 'Logging' and 'Sessions' to... This is what they are set to now....do I need to change anything? Unfortunately I don't really understand what their functions are for :blush: So hence not sure if I should be changing anything..... Admin/Configuration/Logging Store Page Parse Time - false Log Destination - /var/log/www/tep/page_parse_time.log Log Date Format - %d/%m/%Y %H:%M:%S Display The Page Parse Time - false Store Database Queries - false Admin/Configuration/Sessions Session Directory - /tmp Force Cookie Use - True Check SSL Session ID - True Check User Agent - True Check IP Address - True Prevent Spider Sessions - False Recreate Session - True Thanx in advance :)
nihanshe Posted May 9, 2006 Posted May 9, 2006 Hopefully this is a quick help??!! In my Administration/Configuration I am after advice on what I should set my 'Logging' and 'Sessions' to... This is what they are set to now....do I need to change anything? Unfortunately I don't really understand what their functions are for :blush: So hence not sure if I should be changing anything..... Thanx in advance :) Hi these are my settings and seems to work ok try taking the backslash out of temp Session Directory tmp Force Cookie Use False Info Check SSL Session ID False Info Check User Agent False Info Check IP Address False Info Prevent Spider Sessions False Info Recreate Session False Store Page Parse Time false Log Destination /var/log/www/tep/page_parse_time.log Info Log Date Format %d/%m/%Y %H:%M:%S Info Display The Page Parse Time true Info Store Database Queries false Mervyn
bellabree Posted May 9, 2006 Author Posted May 9, 2006 Hi these are my settings and seems to work ok try taking the backslash out of temp Session Directory tmp Force Cookie Use False Info Check SSL Session ID False Info Check User Agent False Info Check IP Address False Info Prevent Spider Sessions False Info Recreate Session False Store Page Parse Time false Log Destination /var/log/www/tep/page_parse_time.log Info Log Date Format %d/%m/%Y %H:%M:%S Info Display The Page Parse Time true Info Store Database Queries false Mervyn Thanks Mervyn! I Appreciate your response :) Now I am a little hesitant about changing my settings..... as there are a few that that are opposite to yours..... If either yourself or even someone else can help clarify their purpose that would really help me make a decision on whether I need to change them or not..... Thanks again for taking the time to reply :thumbsup:
nihanshe Posted May 9, 2006 Posted May 9, 2006 Thanks Mervyn! I Appreciate your response :) Now I am a little hesitant about changing my settings..... as there are a few that that are opposite to yours..... If either yourself or even someone else can help clarify their purpose that would really help me make a decision on whether I need to change them or not..... Thanks again for taking the time to reply :thumbsup: Hi sorry I cant tell you what these settings mean are you up and running with the admin section if it's any help i done 6 re-installs cos people where telling me to put this and to put that in cos i was have trouble installing in the end I followed the instalation PDF file word for word and then everything was ok and then followed the guid in the rest of the setup I might be wrong but if it was me I would not change anything sorry for not being much help. Regards Mervyn http://www.kobogear.co.uk/catalog/ im still in making of the shop
bellabree Posted May 18, 2006 Author Posted May 18, 2006 Hi sorry I cant tell you what these settings mean are you up and running with the admin section if it's any help i done 6 re-installs cos people where telling me to put this and to put that in cos i was have trouble installing in the end I followed the instalation PDF file word for word and then everything was ok and then followed the guid in the rest of the setup I might be wrong but if it was me I would not change anything sorry for not being much help.Regards Mervyn http://www.kobogear.co.uk/catalog/ im still in making of the shop Hi Mervyn! Sorry 'bout the delay in replying.....been a little busy..... I have my admin up and running without any probs'. And I guess some would say "if it aint broken, then don't fix it" or something to that accord anyway! I would just like to get to know my admin section a little better and to understand its full functionality. I guess with your settings a little different to mine it makes me even more curious as to what I should have my setting set to :( Even tho you may not think you have helped me, I have really appreciated the time you have given me on this...THANX!! Anyone else out there think they can give me some further insight :(
Epic Mike Posted May 19, 2006 Posted May 19, 2006 Here's my opinion on what to use: Session Directory - /tmp Force Cookie Use - False Check SSL Session ID - False Check User Agent - False Check IP Address - False Prevent Spider Sessions - True Recreate Session - False Here's the reasons / descriptions as I understand them: Force Cookie Use Lots of stores force users to use cookies instead of assigning session id's (SID - that long string of characters you get in the URL when browsing your store without cookies) but I've found that lots of customers checkout on my store without cookies enabled in their browsers. I forced cookies for a while when I had a few problems with my store and got several emails from customers saying that they didn't know how to change their cookie settings (even though the cookies_usage.php page gives instructions) and I would have to email them and explain further. Now, my customers are mainly older and I'm just guessing a little less familiar with computers/Internet/browsers. This one is really up to you though. If you decide not to force cookies, the only thing you need to make sure that you do is visit all the pages in your store in a browser with cookies disabled with something added to your shopping cart. If you click on a page and the shopping cart is all of a sudden empty, then you have a link somewhere that isn't using the tep href. Check IP Address I believe this just keeps the session with one IP address. Users on AOL will have a different IP address for every page that they visit so leave false otherwise they won't be able to checkout. Recreate Session Definitely leave to false if you're on a shared server because if someone else is running OSC on the same server then you can see their products in your store when you visit it for a second or third or fourth, etc. time. Also if a customer from a certain IP address adds a product to their cart and another visitor comes to your store from that IP, then they will have the product in their cart too and also be able to possibly log in the first customers account. Prevent Spider Sessions This keeps spiders from Google and Yahoo for example from getting the SID. If they do index any of these pages with the SID, then you can have many problems. After a while they will drop your store from their index because they will see it as duplicate content. If they visit 10 times and get 10 different SIDs on the same page then they may think you actually have 10 different pages with the same content...not good. Secondly, everyone that clicks on that page will have the same SID I believe which goes back to the Recreate sessions problem. Hope that helped some and keep in mind that I'm an amateur (very amateur) at this so don't etch that in stone... Mike
nihanshe Posted May 19, 2006 Posted May 19, 2006 Here's my opinion on what to use: Session Directory - /tmp Force Cookie Use - False Check SSL Session ID - False Check User Agent - False Check IP Address - False Prevent Spider Sessions - True Recreate Session - False Here's the reasons / descriptions as I understand them: Force Cookie Use Lots of stores force users to use cookies instead of assigning session id's (SID - that long string of characters you get in the URL when browsing your store without cookies) but I've found that lots of customers checkout on my store without cookies enabled in their browsers. I forced cookies for a while when I had a few problems with my store and got several emails from customers saying that they didn't know how to change their cookie settings (even though the cookies_usage.php page gives instructions) and I would have to email them and explain further. Now, my customers are mainly older and I'm just guessing a little less familiar with computers/Internet/browsers. This one is really up to you though. If you decide not to force cookies, the only thing you need to make sure that you do is visit all the pages in your store in a browser with cookies disabled with something added to your shopping cart. If you click on a page and the shopping cart is all of a sudden empty, then you have a link somewhere that isn't using the tep href. Check IP Address I believe this just keeps the session with one IP address. Users on AOL will have a different IP address for every page that they visit so leave false otherwise they won't be able to checkout. Recreate Session Definitely leave to false if you're on a shared server because if someone else is running OSC on the same server then you can see their products in your store when you visit it for a second or third or fourth, etc. time. Also if a customer from a certain IP address adds a product to their cart and another visitor comes to your store from that IP, then they will have the product in their cart too and also be able to possibly log in the first customers account. Prevent Spider Sessions This keeps spiders from Google and Yahoo for example from getting the SID. If they do index any of these pages with the SID, then you can have many problems. After a while they will drop your store from their index because they will see it as duplicate content. If they visit 10 times and get 10 different SIDs on the same page then they may think you actually have 10 different pages with the same content...not good. Secondly, everyone that clicks on that page will have the same SID I believe which goes back to the Recreate sessions problem. Hope that helped some and keep in mind that I'm an amateur (very amateur) at this so don't etch that in stone... Mike
nihanshe Posted May 19, 2006 Posted May 19, 2006 Thanks Mike I know your posting was not aimed at me but I will check out my settings and thanks for making things a little clearer. Mervyn
Epic Mike Posted May 19, 2006 Posted May 19, 2006 Thanks Mike I know your posting was not aimed at me but I will check out my settings and thanks for making things a little clearer.Mervyn Let me add this too. If you prevent spider sessions use this contribution by SteveL. http://www.oscommerce.com/community/contri...rch,spiders.txt All you have to do is copy it over the spiders.txt already in your store. He updates this frequently with the latest known bots. Also, if you've been online for a little bit and have been visited by a search engine, do a search for your site "www.whatever.com" in google or yahoo and see if the session id is attached to the page they have indexed. If it's there, then it will be a while before it changes after you prevent spider sessions. Good luck
nihanshe Posted May 19, 2006 Posted May 19, 2006 Let me add this too. If you prevent spider sessions use this contribution by SteveL. http://www.oscommerce.com/community/contri...rch,spiders.txt All you have to do is copy it over the spiders.txt already in your store. He updates this frequently with the latest known bots. Also, if you've been online for a little bit and have been visited by a search engine, do a search for your site "www.whatever.com" in google or yahoo and see if the session id is attached to the page they have indexed. If it's there, then it will be a while before it changes after you prevent spider sessions. Good luck Hi just to check with you that I have done this right this is the info i have pasted into the spider.text file crawl slurp spider seek ebot obot abot dbot hbot kbot mbot nbot pbot rbot sbot tbot ybot bot. bot/ _bot accoona appie architext asterias atlocal atomz augurfind bannana_bot bdfetch blo. blog boitho booch ccubee cfetch csci digger dmoz docomo dtaagent ebingbong ejupiter falcon findlinks gazz genieknows goforit grub gulliver harvest helix heritrix holmes homer htdig ia_archiver ichiro iconsurf iltrovatore indexer ingrid ivia jakarta java/ jetbot kit_fireball knowledge lachesis larbin libwww linkwalker lwp mantraagent mapoftheinternet mediapartners mercator metacarta miva mj12 mnogo moget/ multitext muscatferret myweb najdi nameprotect ncsa beta netmechanic netresearchserver ng/ npbot nutch objectssearch omni osis-project pear. poirot pompos poppelsdorf rambler salty sbider scooter scrubby shopwiki sidewinder silk smartwit sna- sohu spinner spyder steeler/ sygol szukacz tarantula t-h-u-n-d-e-r-s-t-o-n-e /teoma theophrastus tutorgig twiceler updated vagabondo volcano voyager/ w3c_validator wavefire websitepulse wget wire worldlight worm zao/ xenu xirq zippp zyborg .... ! spiders.txt Contribution version 2006-04-15 - Please read readme before editing
bellabree Posted May 20, 2006 Author Posted May 20, 2006 Here's my opinion on what to use: Session Directory - /tmp Force Cookie Use - False Check SSL Session ID - False Check User Agent - False Check IP Address - False Prevent Spider Sessions - True Recreate Session - False Here's the reasons / descriptions as I understand them: Force Cookie Use Lots of stores force users to use cookies instead of assigning session id's (SID - that long string of characters you get in the URL when browsing your store without cookies) but I've found that lots of customers checkout on my store without cookies enabled in their browsers. I forced cookies for a while when I had a few problems with my store and got several emails from customers saying that they didn't know how to change their cookie settings (even though the cookies_usage.php page gives instructions) and I would have to email them and explain further. Now, my customers are mainly older and I'm just guessing a little less familiar with computers/Internet/browsers. This one is really up to you though. If you decide not to force cookies, the only thing you need to make sure that you do is visit all the pages in your store in a browser with cookies disabled with something added to your shopping cart. If you click on a page and the shopping cart is all of a sudden empty, then you have a link somewhere that isn't using the tep href. Check IP Address I believe this just keeps the session with one IP address. Users on AOL will have a different IP address for every page that they visit so leave false otherwise they won't be able to checkout. Recreate Session Definitely leave to false if you're on a shared server because if someone else is running OSC on the same server then you can see their products in your store when you visit it for a second or third or fourth, etc. time. Also if a customer from a certain IP address adds a product to their cart and another visitor comes to your store from that IP, then they will have the product in their cart too and also be able to possibly log in the first customers account. Prevent Spider Sessions This keeps spiders from Google and Yahoo for example from getting the SID. If they do index any of these pages with the SID, then you can have many problems. After a while they will drop your store from their index because they will see it as duplicate content. If they visit 10 times and get 10 different SIDs on the same page then they may think you actually have 10 different pages with the same content...not good. Secondly, everyone that clicks on that page will have the same SID I believe which goes back to the Recreate sessions problem. Hope that helped some and keep in mind that I'm an amateur (very amateur) at this so don't etch that in stone... Mike Hi there "Epic Mike'.....you have been a breath of fresh air :) You have been a tremendous help!!!!! You have clarified what has remained to be a bit of a dark cloud to me . Thanks Sooooooooooo much for taking the time to reply in such detail.....I really appreciate it :thumbsup: It makes such a difference with a bit of knowledge.... THANKS AGAIN :thumbsup:
Epic Mike Posted May 20, 2006 Posted May 20, 2006 nihanshe, that looks right. When you download the contribution, you can just copy the spiders.txt file over the one in your store to make it easier. bellabree - glad that helped some. I'm a newbie and that's just the way I understand it so some of that may be wrong.
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