roka Posted January 22, 2006 Posted January 22, 2006 i have recently downloaded milestone 2.2 th latest version and attempted install first thing about the instructions they are not windows server friendly... "Upload the catalog directory to your server using FTP. " how so the file folder itself or the contents? besides i am self hosted and have no need or use for FTP. "The file to import must be located and named at:/home/username/public_html/catalog/install/oscommerce.sql" this is not possible in windows there is no home/username/... there is a very simple file structure starting with c:/inetpub/wwwroot/... so what do do about this? "Webserver Root Directory - /home/username/public_html/catalog/" and once again... as far as i know this has always been "/" ok so i entered the best path info i could and the install actually completes however upon clicking catalog or admin i get nothing but blank pages...no errors or anything... searching forums i have found that all i have todo is install the DB via phpmyadmin using the sql file ok now i have a database with no friggin idea how to set the config file so thats not helping... I honestly believe that i just do not know the paths to set for the config because all the instructions are for apache/unix systems which is not fair! Dear OsCommerce, Please realize there are other servers in the world other than unix and apache just cause WS2003 IIS6 costs four grand is no need to exclude us from the loop. I realize that i may not understand the docs and im far from a noob i have installed many a script on may an ocassion but this script is not working for me and i need it to work... Also i have seen many posts related to mine with no true solutions for any problems whatsoever regarding IIS issues so can i please have some help. thanks
tina_boots Posted January 22, 2006 Posted January 22, 2006 I honestly believe that i just do not know the paths to set for the config because all the instructions are for apache/unix systems which is not fair! My true expertise as a developer is in the MS dotnet framework, it's what I get paid to do. PHP and osC for me are my hobbies so to speak. I am very familiar with Windows servers and IIS, however I would never consider running osC on a Windows server. That's not to say that it cannot be done, I've witnessed many people here who have done just that. Its just that there are enough challenges running osC that for me it makes no sense to add the complexities of trying to configure the system to run on a Windows server. And I understand you likely have very good reasons for attempting to make this happen and as I said others have succeeded in your task. I also understand the feelings of frustration which may come when things become difficult. I've found myself faced many times with the challenges of "making something work" where perhaps its outside the mainstream. I've always found it best to step back for a moment take a deep breath and understand I will be facing unique challenges, that perhaps it going to take me a little longer than expected to accomplish the task, and that I may not have as many options for the support I need. I believe this very strongly, anything may be accomplished with the right amount of effort and dedication to the task. However I never allow myself to feel something is unfair, rather just another challenge that when I am able to overcome it, gives me an even deeper sense of personal satisfaction. Be well, Tina If you're not having fun you're not doing it right Teach a person to fish rather than give them a loaf of bread or however that saying goes.
roka Posted January 22, 2006 Author Posted January 22, 2006 My true expertise as a developer is in the MS dotnet framework, it's what I get paid to do. PHP and osC for me are my hobbies so to speak. I am very familiar with Windows servers and IIS, however I would never consider running osC on a Windows server. That's not to say that it cannot be done, I've witnessed many people here who have done just that. Its just that there are enough challenges running osC that for me it makes no sense to add the complexities of trying to configure the system to run on a Windows server. And I understand you likely have very good reasons for attempting to make this happen and as I said others have succeeded in your task. I also understand the feelings of frustration which may come when things become difficult. I've found myself faced many times with the challenges of "making something work" where perhaps its outside the mainstream. I've always found it best to step back for a moment take a deep breath and understand I will be facing unique challenges, that perhaps it going to take me a little longer than expected to accomplish the task, and that I may not have as many options for the support I need. I believe this very strongly, anything may be accomplished with the right amount of effort and dedication to the task. However I never allow myself to feel something is unfair, rather just another challenge that when I am able to overcome it, gives me an even deeper sense of personal satisfaction. Be well, Tina Tina dear thanks for your reply... I had this working rather screwy at one time if i may add several months ago i dont recall the server requirements stating that i must use a UNIX/Apache server however i have had some scripts supposedly not to run on windows, but i made them work... considering i spent four grand on a server OS alone ill be damned if i cant get a free script to work! however i do believe when you create a community script you must have all in mind not just some because it limits the communitys ability to to have what you call diversity. need the script be named OSC for unix and apache i would considering. Over 40% of online servers are windows need we be excluded from the loop? or maybe its microsoft for developing an easy to use server system that dosent work on free scripts...im being senical however i would like to hear it from the horses mouth if i am told by OSC i cant install it ill believe it and leave it alone but i will not install BS-Apache or confusing Unix just to run one script. I thought about it carefully and it highly plausable i have no idea what in the hell im doing and i need to hang it up, but i dont give up so fast... i would like to see windows server install instructions for real windows server users... Also you stated you would never even attempt to run OSC on windows ...why ? i would like to know... thanks for you reply again i appreciate your consideration and caring...
tina_boots Posted January 22, 2006 Posted January 22, 2006 i do believe when you create a community script you must have all in mind not just some because it limits the communitys ability to to have what you call diversity. need the script be named OSC for unix and apache i would considering. Over 40% of online servers are windows need we be excluded from the loop? If you look at the web based open source applications at large, there are very large number that are PHP based, some that asp.net based, and very few Java based. There is a reason for that. PHP right out of the box is very friendly with Linux/Apache implementations which carries with it a very low cost. Windows being next because it is more expensive to implement yet a lot of people being familiar with the OS, Java JSP type applications being few because it requires an application server which may be rather expensive or otherwise complex to implement. However going back to the PHP based applications I've worked with dozens and have never witnessed one being labeled as "Application X for Linux/Apache" however being familiar with PHP I understand that its certainly going to run easiest with Linux/Apache because they fit so well together. So perhaps that becomes an assumption by the general public and lessens the need for a development team to state upfront that it works best with Linux/Apache. Even though in most cases it can be configured to run on Windows. The same may be said for asp.net applications. Most people are going to understand its going to run on a Windows server. However there is an implementation of the dotnet framework which will run on a Linux server. It's just that it will likely be less challenging to run the application on Windows. i would like to hear it from the horses mouth if i am told by OSC i cant install it ill believe it and leave it alone but i will not install BS-Apache or confusing Unix just to run one script. No one is saying osC cannot be run on Windows, only that its going to be a bit more of a challenge. Also you stated you would never even attempt to run OSC on windows ...why ? i would like to know... I can download the software, upload it to my server, create a database, and complete the installation in about 20 - 30 minutes. It's simply a matter of taking the path of least resistance. If someone were to come to me and ask me to install it on a Windows server, I would do my best to point out the reasons why I feel it would be best for them to consider going with Linux/Apache instead. The very nature in which osC is generally used, small business owners without unlimited resources who wish to create an Internet presence, that simply makes sense in most cases. Now if they had a reason why they needed to use a Windows server, that situation would need to be revisited for me. However I have installed osC several times for friends and people I know face to face. I have never asked for nor received a penny for doing so. So that is where I'm coming from on that subject. In other words I have enough challenges making things work at my day job. I'm doing this because I enjoy it. Again that's not to say it cannot be done or should not be done using Windows. Only that there are more challenges involved. Tina If you're not having fun you're not doing it right Teach a person to fish rather than give them a loaf of bread or however that saying goes.
♥Vger Posted January 22, 2006 Posted January 22, 2006 ASP was meant to be used on Windows servers. Okay, you can run it on Apache servers (ChilliSoft ASP) but it's much more problematic. By the same token PHP runs better on Apache servers. Most problems to do with running osCommerce on Windows servers have nothing to do with problem with osCommerce - it's usually all to do with the server not being set up correctly in the first place. You know ...there is a Search function on this forum, and it's even better if you Search these forums using the Google toolbar. It would have shown up this: http://www.oscommerce.com/forums/lofiversion/i...hp/t118916.html Vger
roka Posted January 22, 2006 Author Posted January 22, 2006 ASP was meant to be used on Windows servers. Okay, you can run it on Apache servers (ChilliSoft ASP) but it's much more problematic. By the same token PHP runs better on Apache servers. Most problems to do with running osCommerce on Windows servers have nothing to do with problem with osCommerce - it's usually all to do with the server not being set up correctly in the first place. You know ...there is a Search function on this forum, and it's even better if you Search these forums using the Google toolbar. It would have shown up this: http://www.oscommerce.com/forums/lofiversion/i...hp/t118916.html Vger thanks for the reply but the forum search here sucks and google offers even less help... most importantly i dont have and incorrectly set up server as i said i an not a noob to server technoligy so that link dosent help me much at all i already know how to set up a server...the point is installing OSC not php not mysql my server has close to 20 sites mostly php scripts with mysql databases so server setup and config is not the issue... its the way that OSC looks for the paths and on WS2003 the paths are different wich should be easily fixable by editing the path definitions to work easily with IIS or giving an extra doc wouldnt hurt. this is a PHP script no more no less so whats the deal? i would like help from a self hosted windows user who doesnt kick questions to say "its your server cause i use linux and it works well for me... and again no help for me as the topic states...
AlanR Posted January 22, 2006 Posted January 22, 2006 I'd rather walk across a parking lot full of broken glass in my bare feet than use Windows servers but I do save links. http://www.oscommerce.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=162500 Local: Mac OS X 10.5.8 - Apache 2.2/php 5.3.0/MySQL 5.4.10 • Web Servers: Linux Tools: BBEdit, Coda, Versions (Subversion), Sequel Pro (db management)
roka Posted January 22, 2006 Author Posted January 22, 2006 I'd rather walk across a parking lot full of broken glass in my bare feet than use Windows servers but I do save links. http://www.oscommerce.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=162500 thanks ill try it and see what happens...ill keep ya posted but see thais whole issue is caused because of the coding
tina_boots Posted January 22, 2006 Posted January 22, 2006 thanks for the reply but the forum search here sucks and google offers even less help...most importantly i dont have and incorrectly set up server as i said i an not a noob to server technoligy so that link dosent help me much at all i already know how to set up a server...the point is installing OSC not php not mysql my server has close to 20 sites mostly php scripts with mysql databases so server setup and config is not the issue... its the way that OSC looks for the paths and on WS2003 the paths are different wich should be easily fixable by editing the path definitions to work easily with IIS or giving an extra doc wouldnt hurt. this is a PHP script no more no less so whats the deal? i would like help from a self hosted windows user who doesnt kick questions to say "its your server cause i use linux and it works well for me... and again no help for me as the topic states... I think the point Vger was trying to make are that the challenges involved are configuring the server to run with osC, not that there were any errors with your server setup. I'm sure you have experienced very well even asp based applications which occasionally require their own special set up. You might try a search similar to this: site:www.oscommerce.com/forums windows IIS installation It may or may not provide the answers you are looking for, however is generally a good method for searching these forums. Be well, Tina If you're not having fun you're not doing it right Teach a person to fish rather than give them a loaf of bread or however that saying goes.
♥Vger Posted January 22, 2006 Posted January 22, 2006 I'd rather walk across a parking lot full of broken glass in my bare feet than use Windows servers Yes, but he's spent 4 grand on one, so he's stuck with it now. If he can't install osCommerce automatically then it's not that difficult to install manually. Vger
roka Posted January 23, 2006 Author Posted January 23, 2006 I think the point Vger was trying to make are that the challenges involved are configuring the server to run with osC, not that there were any errors with your server setup. I'm sure you have experienced very well even asp based applications which occasionally require their own special set up. You might try a search similar to this: site:www.oscommerce.com/forums windows IIS installation It may or may not provide the answers you are looking for, however is generally a good method for searching these forums. Be well, Tina I see thanks for the search string and i see Vgers point i just figured someone would know something about this whole IIS issue i mean i thought about it and figures maybe i really do need to check my server configs and such just to make sure its not me really. the configurations should not be that hard its just the definitions of the root folder locations i think that are causing the wacky install issue...in the mean time ill be googling.....:)
roka Posted January 23, 2006 Author Posted January 23, 2006 I think the point Vger was trying to make are that the challenges involved are configuring the server to run with osC, not that there were any errors with your server setup. I'm sure you have experienced very well even asp based applications which occasionally require their own special set up. You might try a search similar to this: site:www.oscommerce.com/forums windows IIS installation It may or may not provide the answers you are looking for, however is generally a good method for searching these forums. Be well, Tina I see thanks for the search string and i see Vgers point i just figured someone would know something about this whole IIS issue i mean i thought about it and figures maybe i really do need to check my server configs and such just to make sure its not me really. the configurations should not be that hard its just the definitions of the root folder locations i think that are causing the wacky install issue...in the mean time ill be googling.....:)
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