rommany Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 Hello I see google has danced again and left most of my pages with a PR3, what puzzles me is that i have loads of pages with a PR3 and PR2 but still my main page is 3 as well, my understanding was that if most pages was a three the main page would normally be a four or higher, as this is where all my links point too. The 2nd thing that i can not work out is i have just looked at a site and they have a PR5 and only a few links and sells only around 6 items and poor meta tags, I have loads off items around 90 and good content and loads off links but still ranked 2 lower than the other site. The other site does have something else, and that is a main page not shop with a gallery , blogs page, then the shop added to this, would all of this add to a better PR and i so should i start a new page and add things like the shop, gallery and forum to it ? would i benefit from all of this ? Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitchenniche Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 Hi David, As far as I know: If your main-site has a PR3, all sites that are 1 click away from it have a PR2. All sites that are 2 clicks away from your main-site have then PR1 and so on. I think it's more important to have quality incoming links instead of lots of none-quality links. Therefore, a site with only a few incoming links can easily have a high PR if those incoming links are relevant and from a very high PR-site. HIM - Dark Light - Out on 26/09/05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rommany Posted October 20, 2005 Author Share Posted October 20, 2005 Hello Sandra I agree but if thats right why would my categories be a PR3 the same as my main page, even my contact us and shipping page is a three, unless google is not yet finished dancing ? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 why would my categories be a PR3 the same as my main page, even my contact us and shipping page is a three temporarily and with new domains you may notice this. Eventually the results are adjusted and the root of your domain will have higher ranking than the secondary pages. Takes sometime for the spiders to map results from secondary pages to the domain. So say you bring up a new domain www.yoursite.com (with a root of index.htm) now say they place 100 reciprocal links for www.yoursite.com/categories.htm Well the spiders will mark the categories.htm with a higher ranking than index.htm but eventually the results will be transfered to the root of your domain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kim333 Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 i have a question if i may. i didn't have a site at first...just the store. i am a total noob and couldn't figure out how to move the store to the main domain name. a rep from my host...put a redirect in. www.diviningyourlife.com goes to shop... http://diviningyourlife.com/catalog/index.php, and from there i now have links added to the header & footer to go to pages i'm building, forum, etc. my question is i thought the store would work best for SEO. but that was just a guess i have no idea?!? is it a bad thing to have the store come up first? should i change it over to my main site when it's ready? IS THE REDIRECT BAD??? THANKS KIM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack_mcs Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 Redirects can be very bad if they are not done correctly. Jack Support Links: For Hire: Contact me for anything you need help with for your shop: upgrading, hosting, repairs, code written, etc. All of My Addons Get the latest versions of my addons Recommended SEO Addons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kim333 Posted October 22, 2005 Share Posted October 22, 2005 but if i can change that...would it better to move the store to that location, or to have an 'intro' type webpage (html based) in that place?!? thanks for the reply. 333 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack_mcs Posted October 22, 2005 Share Posted October 22, 2005 temporarily and with new domains you may notice this. Eventually the results are adjusted and the root of your domain will have higher ranking than the secondary pages. Takes sometime for the spiders to map results from secondary pages to the domain. So say you bring up a new domain www.yoursite.com (with a root of index.htm) now say they place 100 reciprocal links for www.yoursite.com/categories.htm Well the spiders will mark the categories.htm with a higher ranking than index.htm but eventually the results will be transfered to the root of your domain. This is incorrect. The PR of a page is determined by the number of backlinks to that page. If there are more and better quality links to the Contact Us page, then it will have a higher PR than the home page. Otherwise, the PR would indicate site PR, which doesn't exist. Jack but if i can change that...would it better to move the store to that location, or to have an 'intro' type webpage (html based) in that place?!? thanks for the reply. 333 If you have the option, the shop should go into the root and you should delete the html entrance page. Jack Support Links: For Hire: Contact me for anything you need help with for your shop: upgrading, hosting, repairs, code written, etc. All of My Addons Get the latest versions of my addons Recommended SEO Addons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 22, 2005 Share Posted October 22, 2005 This is incorrect. The PR of a page is determined by the number of backlinks to that page. If there are more and better quality links to the Contact Us page, then it will have a higher PR than the home page. Otherwise, the PR would indicate site PR, which doesn't exist. I have almost no links a to the root of a domain and plenty of links to a sub-dir. Over time the references were shifting to the root. At least I did some testing there. Now when I am refering to the root I mean the www.mysite.com and not www.mysite.com/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack_mcs Posted October 22, 2005 Share Posted October 22, 2005 Any link that points to your root will count as a backlink. This means that if you have a link to it from your header, which most sites do, then on every page of your site, there is a link to your home page. If one of those pages has a high pr, you will gain a little of that effect for your home page. Although google doesn't rate links form the same server as much as they do if they are from different servers so they won't count for as much. But the overall effect of that process and having links from outside sources will tend to raise the PR of your home page so that may be the reason for the change you describe. But that is the only relationhip. It is completely possible to have a non-home page with a higher PR than the home page. Jack Support Links: For Hire: Contact me for anything you need help with for your shop: upgrading, hosting, repairs, code written, etc. All of My Addons Get the latest versions of my addons Recommended SEO Addons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 22, 2005 Share Posted October 22, 2005 Ok, I started checking one of the domains for the spider response mapping few months ago. I was always targeting exposure for the home directories of the catalog root over the web, instead of the domain root. Initially the spiders would return results from the osc catalog root. Over time I noticed the domain root keep increasing its references while the catalog root directory references were decreasing. There were no changes to the site and no changes towards the exposure scheme. And the home link (like on the header you mentioned) points to a page at the root of the catalog not to the root of the domain. If you have some examples over the web of seasoned domains where a specific page shows more references than the domain root, can you post a url so I can see? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack_mcs Posted October 22, 2005 Share Posted October 22, 2005 I can't post them here since it would be against forums rules but I will PM you an example. Jack Support Links: For Hire: Contact me for anything you need help with for your shop: upgrading, hosting, repairs, code written, etc. All of My Addons Get the latest versions of my addons Recommended SEO Addons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 Ok, go ahead I have a couple of popularity tools for pages/domains that should show total references from the web for each site, lets see if the results are consistent between domain,pages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack_mcs Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 Hmm, seems I might have to take a step backwards here. I had intended to send you links from my site on which one page consitently ranks higher than the home. This held true through two google updates (not counting this last one). I pay little attention to PR due to it being not very important but I just looked and now the pages have the same PR. The genral rule for PR is that your home page (root) is always one above the sub-pages. The links I sent you show that that is not true and until this last update the sub-page ranked consistently higher. So, since it is not now, I can only concede the point although I know from personal experience that it is possible. Jack Support Links: For Hire: Contact me for anything you need help with for your shop: upgrading, hosting, repairs, code written, etc. All of My Addons Get the latest versions of my addons Recommended SEO Addons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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