Extremely poor ranking on google

sheerlock · August 11, 2005

Hi,

My website is up and running since last october and frankly it's very badly indexed in regards to the contents of the website.

I thought bad ranking was down to CMS type website but when i looked at www.koolart.co.uk i found it was very well ranked.

I've tried several modules including SEF Advance and nothing seems to crack the problem.

Any suggestions are welcome.

Thanks

AllTheAbove · August 11, 2005

Hi,

My website is up and running since last october and frankly it's very badly indexed in regards to the contents of the website.

I thought bad ranking was down to CMS type website but when i looked at www.koolart.co.uk i found it was very well ranked.

I've tried several modules including SEF Advance and nothing seems to crack the problem.

Any suggestions are welcome.

Thanks

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Have you tried Header Tags contrib?

Lori

sheerlock · August 11, 2005

Thanks for the reply.

No i haven't tried the header tags contribution because i assumed that it only dealt with the meta tags.

Is it a viable solution?

The weird thing is that koolarts website does not seem to use them so what is their trick !?

August 11, 2005

hi. you might do some searches for the most obscure strings on your site or look into your traffic logs to see how deeply you are being crawled. if you aren't getting crawled try the All Products contribution. if you are getting crawled to the bottom, your content is probably light. that's one thing about OSC, it's a commerce platform, not a content platform.

to remedy this, first take advantage of your page headings and your product descriptions. Make them on topic, concise, use keywords associated with that product or it's intended use/customer/etc. product descriptions can and should be long and descriptive. similarly, use keywords in your page headings, page titles etc.

next, consider some good, in-depth information pages for your product line(s) using, guess what? more on-topic keywords.

in other words, it's all about content development. getting people to link to you is a whole nuther shooting match. meta tags are helpful these days but it's not as crucial to customize them page by page as it used to be.

hope that helps:)

sheerlock · August 11, 2005

Ok, thank you for the elaborate answer !

I have looked through the logs but what exactly am i looking for, i have found this :

proxy1.search.scd.yahoo.net

Is that the yahoo search engine?

sheerlock · August 11, 2005

Yep, found the crawler !

crawl-66-249-65-114.googlebot.com

It only does two links :

/shopping_cart.php?language=fr&osCsid=8b88b009536bf897f8c9521f8f8249d7

GET /includes/languages/francais/images/buttons/button_login.gif?osCsid=1ef1aae5afed9b

No more :-( ?

lastdual · August 11, 2005

Ranking well takes more than just the bare essentials of Google properly indexing your site. Do you rank well in Yahoo and MSN?

You may want to read up at some seo forums such as webmasterworld and seochat...

landlordaccounting · August 12, 2005

Hi,

My website is up and running since last october and frankly it's very badly indexed in regards to the contents of the website.

I thought bad ranking was down to CMS type website but when i looked at www.koolart.co.uk i found it was very well ranked.

I've tried several modules including SEF Advance and nothing seems to crack the problem.

Any suggestions are welcome.

Thanks

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if you want to get better search results, definately get incoming links. google thinks that if lots of people link to a site, it probably is pretty good. so it should get high results. there are many ways to do this -- link exchanges, directories for your industry, other friends' sites, all of which are answered if you search for "search engine optimization"

August 12, 2005

Yep, found the crawler !

crawl-66-249-65-114.googlebot.com

It only does two links :

/shopping_cart.php?language=fr&osCsid=8b88b009536bf897f8c9521f8f8249d7

GET /includes/languages/francais/images/buttons/button_login.gif?osCsid=1ef1aae5afed9b

No more :-( ?

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there's a neat online tool at http://www.marketleap.com/siteindex/default.htm which will help you easily see your saturation on the engines.

sheerlock · August 12, 2005

Indeed, thanks for the link.

I was told that back links help a lot which matches previous posts on this topic (thanks too!)

But i still find it odd that koolart.co.uk manages to get very good search results on their pages.

Looking at their generated source i found that they use STS which is the easy template add-on, could this by any chance have boosted the compatibility with search engine crawlers...?

Thanks

wizardsandwars · August 12, 2005

Why don't you try posting a link to your website, so somoene can give you an opinion of what you need to do.

Jack_mcs · August 12, 2005

Thanks for the reply.

No i haven't tried the header tags contribution because i assumed that it only dealt with the meta tags.

Is it a viable solution?

The weird thing is that koolarts website does not seem to use them so what is their trick !?

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To place well, your page titles need to be unique and match the page contents. That's what Header Tags does for your site. Without such titles, you are probably never going to place well.

Jack

sheerlock · August 13, 2005

Why don't you try posting a link to your website, so somoene can give you an opinion of what you need to do.

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http://www.plugnperf.com

From what i have gathered the site is lacking static links on the front page.

I looked at one of your sites citysounds, very nice indeed, could i use the .html extensions in product menu on my website?

Jack_mcs · August 13, 2005

The whole secret to placing well is to choose the proper keyword or phase. Is anyone searching for Plug 'n Perf? My guess is they are not.

Jack

sheerlock · August 13, 2005

The whole secret to placing well is to choose the proper keyword or phase. Is anyone searching for Plug 'n Perf? My guess is they are not.

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I couldn't agree more but when people search for "scantool" or "powerdyn" they don't even hit my website and Plug 'n Perf manufacture and sell "powerdyn" interfaces and is the only distributor in France for scantool.net interfaces :blink:

wizardsandwars · August 13, 2005

I think you're missing the point. You *need* to have unique, dynamic titles on every page.

sheerlock · August 13, 2005

I think you're missing the point. You *need* to have unique, dynamic titles on every page.

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Probably, i've got fairly worked up about this as i'm already on overflow with work !

I have just displayed source with ie on a products page and the contents say it all.... blank page ! I now see what the crawler sees....

So if i've understood correctly by installing header tags this page should no longer be blank?

Thank you both for your help up to now.

Jack_mcs · August 14, 2005

If you are seeing a product displayed in a browser, then th esource can't be blank. I just looked at the source for a product page and it displays as normal. Installing header Tags will allow you to set your titles properly.

Jack

Tomcat · August 15, 2005

Indeed, thanks for the link.

I was told that back links help a lot which matches previous posts on this topic (thanks too!)

But i still find it odd that koolart.co.uk manages to get very good search results on their pages.

Looking at their generated source i found that they use STS which is the easy template add-on, could this by any chance have boosted the compatibility with search engine crawlers...?

Thanks

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I think Google also looks at the site age. Have you been online for long ?

rommany · August 15, 2005

I think Google also looks at the site age. Have you been online for long ?

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If google ranks sites on its age, what kind oftime scare do you think we are talking about, i know no one will know the true amount of time, but i would love to hear what people think about how long google takes before they start putting you higher up in the search engine.

Regards

Jack_mcs · August 15, 2005

As far as I know, they don't look at age, just how relevant the page is. On a new site, it might take 2-3 months before you start rising in the listings. For an established site, it can be 1-2 weeks. It depedns on your competition too.

Jack

rommany · August 15, 2005

Yep that what i thought, but i have been reading some stuff that google does take look at the age of the site and will mark you down a little till you have been running for sometime.

The reason for this as i understand is that a lot of site give up after a few mts or so.

So i guess google and other search engines will only send traffic to sites that can prove that they can stand the test of time.

Regards

Jack_mcs · August 15, 2005

People have ran tests on sites to try to determine if the age of the site or of the pages makes a difference. There is no definitve result from that, as far as I know. But I've seen new sites reach a high position in the SERP's in a short while with proper optimization. That is the secret to it all. Set up your page properly and all else falls into place.

Jack

August 15, 2005

What is the difference between STS and Header Tag contrib?

Which one can I use the best?

Another thing: This shop (not osC) is linking to itself several times. Is that good for Google Ranking?

And is it possible in osC? Or do I have to edit every single page in osC?

August 16, 2005

I couldn't edit my post anymore, so a new post:

There are a lot of Meta / Header contributions, which one do you suggest? (Contributions

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